kevbone

nice..... so far....this is the quote of the day....

And I got you beat.....

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Totally cool pictures.

You love this word! Bush cannot even be spoken in the same sentence as Clinton…..he is one reason…..Clinton had an 80% approval rate…..Bush 20%......which means the overwhelming majority of the people liked Clinton…..that has to mean something.

“Environmentally”? Do you drive a car? Nuff said. I am not following you here on this one….. Crack climbing did come before sport……please clarify your comment…..

Ah….now we are getting somewhere…….. So this place we are talking about has mixed climbing. There are only 10-12 pure sport climbs out of about 60 routes……5 climbs or so have one piece of gear in them…..we have taken flack for this but hold our (the original developers) ground stating we can not bring ourselves to blatantly place a bolt right next to a perfect gear placement. Not that you care about this…..but …… Top roping there…..you would have to spend a lot of time hiking around in poison oak just to top rope off a tree that is not even close to the edge of the cliff…..that sounds fun….why do it? So pope can sleep at night knowing his integrity is still in tact….right! Not all of us are as bold as you my friend! Here is the best part of the conversation……(I say conversation because I have yet to see Pee wee Herman…..eh Dwayner). It is my personal opinion that the majority of bolt protected climbs established on lead that I have been on have been completely put up irresponsibly. Do you know why they (the forefathers of climbing) did it like that? Not because it was the “bold” thing to do….but because they did not know better. Of course one can choose to go out tomorrow and bolt on lead….that is fine. But why ride a horse to the crag why you can ride in a car…..get with the times boys…..I do admit I have been on some ridiculous bolted climbs…..that is not the case with this crag. Come down and take a peak, come climbing….I would love to show you around…..for what it is….its pretty neat…..bring your rack…..you will need it. It is a choice you make….I believe as a route setter, I have a responsibility to those who will climb the route after me. I would hate to hear about people getting hurt on a route I put up because it did not protect adequately. You might be able to sleep at night with this on your conscience, but I could not. I know…..your next response will be “don’t dumb it down to your level”. But I put the climb up…..so that level is for me to decide…..if you don’t like it…..stay in Seattle. I disagree with you about no climbing at all. I would rather have climbing than no climbing……I don’t climb indoors anymore….so this is what I got….I think we did a good job developing this place…..I was serious….come on down and let’s go climbing. Kevin

Why?

Uh...where do you get your info from? The web? School? Let me guess.....a book? Your nutz dude.....

I agree.....you are missing my point. At this particular place there are face climbs that have NO GEAR PLACEMENTS AT ALL. Hence....the bolts.... The question is (and no one has answered this yet).....would you rather have no climbing at all, because that is what you would have if I followed popes standard. Not including top roping.

Soloing does not count.

It sure did exist.....but really only crack climbing.....so if there is no cracks to place gear....AT ALL....then you would prefer not to have climbing at all....right?

Ah....what a purist! So you would rather have little to no climbing? Because that is what you would have if you went chop happy.

So well spoken....I need to buy you a beer.

Bush is the biggest terrorists of them all.....

Who is pretending? I know I am not…..nor is his approval rating….. I suppose you can pretend that he is a good president…… Kevbone...IMO, rejecting the demonization of a president and calling BS on claims that he's chiefly to blame for all the worlds problems is very different from pretending he's a good president. I'm not a huge fan to be honest, but I think it's not only unproductive but downright dangerous to blame him for everything that he's being blamed for. In doing so, we fail to ask honest questions that get to the root causes, and basically delay any real action for 2 to 3 years when we see that the problems persist despite who's in the oval office. It's the same issue I have with Gun Control. I have no desire to have a handgun, and I see the danger in dipshits owning one, but I also don't think that they are to blame for the upsurge of violence in this country. Perhaps we can spend another 10 year working on legislation to ban handguns....I don't think we'd see a big impact on violent crime....and then we'd realized that we've wasted 20 years failing to address the real root cause....poverty, absent fathers, glorification of violence in movies/TV/video games, etc..... The buck has to stop somewhere.

Shredding the constitution, admitting to illegal wiretapping, torture, starting wars with countries that did not attack us…….throwing habeas corpus out the window…..this is doing the right thing? Grow up friend…..were does it end?

Post of the day! Thanks JH.

Holy cow….if you think he is mediocre…..I would hate to see what you think is really bad….. you. What a mediocre answer……. No really…..if you think there is a worse president…..lets hear who. linky Uh…..how about your own opinion? And please choose a president in the last 75 years….jeez….. What a lame response after he gave you a link to 11 worse ones.. LOL lame. Learn some history I saw a bunch on the list in the last 75 years. You voted to Bush…..how does it feel to have the deaths of all the innocent on YOUR hands?

Haven’t you ever heard of thread drift? he's also never heard of the ignore option. a pathetic little ankle biter who follows me around and responds to my posts which I only see if they are quoted by another participant. you're a few notches above him/it, K'bone. Holy shit KK…..you have me rolling over here…..I follow you around……where? In the web? Ok dude…..you win…… Ankle biter…..hahahahaha

Haven’t you ever heard of thread drift?

Holy cow….if you think he is mediocre…..I would hate to see what you think is really bad….. you. What a mediocre answer……. No really…..if you think there is a worse president…..lets hear who. linky Uh…..how about your own opinion? And please choose a president in the last 75 years….jeez…..

Go where…..the secret spot? 3 months? Is that the big move? I am game……

Holy cow….if you think he is mediocre…..I would hate to see what you think is really bad….. you. What a mediocre answer……. No really…..if you think there is a worse president…..lets hear who.

I would never ride my bike on that particular road…..scary….