Kimmo
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further the discontinuation of mecury as a preservative (thimerosal) has made delivery of basic vaccines to developing countries far less cost effective when the preserved version of the vaccine is unavailable or no longer manufactured. the risk of mecury toxicity from the amount of mecury in these vaccines is nearly nothing.
thimerosal content in vaccines used today: mercury
and my understanding is that more thimerosal containing vaccines are used in developing countries.
by the way, i'm not necessarily condemning this, just trying to get the facts straight.
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What is with you and the aluminum? I can think of a handful of things with a much greater cytotoxicity then aluminum that you ingest every day.
and since you can do that, iv administered aluminum is ok? that's some powerful reasonin' there, brother.
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Why do people have jobs? Ugh...)
i heard it once said....
any fool can get a job; it takes a smart man to live without one.
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Have you thought about going into politics?
Also: should I change my username to Basterson? It has a certain ring to it...
i am in politics. everyone is.
and yes, basterson is much better.
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alas...you have still avoided answering about your own reluctance to accept the scientific method. i'm bored now. y ou win
i'm bored too. but to answer your question: i have never rejected the SM outright; that's just silly. my acceptance of it is simply conditional. it doesn't have the capacity to reach beyond itself, so to speak. i'm not saying it's inherently flawed, like nietzsche perhaps did, just that it's limited to time and place; specifically, rhyme and space.
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a) why does it matter if he's a scientist. don't want to debate someone who might be educated on the subject?
b)why not answer the question?
i have no idea if it matters or not! i was just curious, since he was so curious. sheesh. can't a person ask a question around here? and if he was "educated on the subject", he would probably know already, right? and not be asking me.
plus, i think to varying degrees, we are all "scientists" inherently: hypothesize, see results, accept or reject. at the infant stage we don't conceptualize our hypothesis in formal terms, but that doesn't matter; it's still happening.
so to answer my own question: yes basterson is a scientist, even if he doesn't act like one.
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DTP (diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis vaccine)
DTaP (diphtheria-tetanus-acellular pertussis vaccine)
Some but not all Hib (Haemophilus influenzae type b) conjugate vaccines
Pneumococcal conjugate vaccine
Hepatitis B vaccines
All combination DTaP, Tdap, Hib, or Hepatitis B vaccines
Hepatitis A vaccines
Human Papillomavirus vaccine
Anthrax vaccine
Rabies vaccine
these contain aluminum salts. some above are obviously not commonly administered.
Polio Virus (IPV) vaccine, MMR vaccine, and varicella vaccine do not contain aluminum salts.
my apologies for the lack of research on my part; my memory falters (is there a vaccine for this yet? preferably one that doesn't cause autism?).
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does it matter if he's a scientist
i have no idea; let's just start out with the facts, and then ascertain their relevance.
and i apologize, i shouldn't have used the word many but there asome vaccines w/o alum adjuvants.hib? i couldn't find any.
now why on earth would you not vaccinate a child for a hepatitis? they are some of the biggest hand to mouth transmitters of all sorts of things. kids are not clean.
as you probably noticed, my comment regarding the hep a vaccine was "hmmmm...."; that's hardly a strong opinion, yes? with chicken pox and hep b i did not equivocate.
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Seriously, you should trot out some of these arguments against the (airquote) scientific method (unairquote). I am oh-so-curious.
why, are you a scientist?
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alright...before i go. let me also add, that many vaccines no longer use aluminum adjuvants.
hmmm not what i found. supposedly it's needed for the efficacy of the vaccine.
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aluminum toxicity? the amount of adjuvant in vaccines is relatively minute to compared to the amount that your child is going to get from aluminum cans and other packaging by age 5.
if you are uncomfortable with the amount of vaccines given concurrently, please feel free to space them out and take as many trips to the physician as you'd like.
unnecessary vaccines are certaily a matter of opinion. some i would not question your decision on. for others the consequences are grave. chicken pox v. polio.
herd mentality ...clever. whatever. herd immunity is valid concept. you're dismissal with the clever use of language does not make it any less relevant to community health.
hey we're getting somewhere! common ground! a flavor of agreement, not too bitter i hope!
yes the level of aluminum as adjuvant PER SINGLE DOSE is within the "safe" levels established by the FDA(?) in i think all vaccinations, but combine these levels into single occurence events and what do you have? a cause for concern, imo. also keep in mind that oral and iv are very different pathways for aluminum to enter the body.
so, then space them out, as you said. good idea. and something that i think everyone should do. don't dose your kid up with a bazillion shots in one sitting.
and then which shots to get? here is obviously some room for disagreement, and honestly, we personally haven't made up our minds yet. chicken pox certainly not. i think this can be a disservice in the long run. hep b as infant? ridiculous. hep a? hmmm. and then it gets tougher.
and herd immunity? of course a valid concept. more than that, a "scientifically proven" reality, if using the "scientific method".
i feel better now, since we seem to be getting along so swimmingly!
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and what precisely is your problem w/the scientific method?
i don't recall saying that i had any specific problem with the scientific method; i simply noted that there are various arguments surrounding the issue.
This sounds like an invocation of the vague yet "well known" problems surrounding evolution.
oh my god, you got me! back to the confessional for further instructions.
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or are we simply discussing the selfishness of relying on herd mentality err immunity?
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Kimmo,
I am not going to spend my time re-reading your posts. i frankly don't give a rats ass about your position on autism, its your position on vaccination that infuriates me.
what, pray tell, is my position on vaccinations that so infuriates you? is it that i have concerns about aluminum toxicity? concerns about the number of vaccines given at very young ages? potentially unnneccessary vaccines given at all? you seem to be jumping all over the place in your emotionally charged stupor.
and what precisely is your problem w/the scientific method?i don't recall saying that i had any specific problem with the scientific method; i simply noted that there are various arguments surrounding the issue.
i would support your questioning of statistics if we were simply discussing one review or analysis of the data but we're not. there is ample concurring evidence from multiple international sources.regarding.....what? the efficacy of vaccinations?
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I think her point about un-immunized children posing a risk is that if you and a bunch of other people decide not to immunize, you lower the rate of herd immunity, possibly below its optimal threshold, which would then allow diseases to spread more easily.
if that were the case, then her child would be safe, since it was immunized.
Immunity is not 100%, but really what you seem to be implying is that we should only look out for our own self-interest.
If your kid has some candy, I'm totally stealing it.
you seem to be drawing your own conclusions here....
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something as elemental as people having differing opinions about even the "scientific method" itself
Are we talking about disagreements on how to interpret statistical results (probabilities, error boundaries, etc.)? Or do you have some sort of fundamental problem with the scientific method (eg, solipsism)?
both, and then some.
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alright this is one of those subjects like climate change that just gets under my skin.
what evidence have you seen that vaccines contribute to autism. there isn't a single study out there that was even remotely controlled that shows a link between autism and vaccines. in fact there isn't even one particular line of research that people can follow to connect those dots. is it thimerosal (a preservative) gee...no thats not it. most vaccines don't even have it anymore! is it bacterial infection from MMMR? nope...thats been discounted. so why the heck do you people not vaccinate? there is no causal link at all, none!
go someplace and look at the ravages of not vaccinating and then tell me you're doing the right thing by your child. there are plenty of other more realistic theories relating to the genetics and environment of kids with autism.
are you really so scared of things that you will cling to any security blanket that the internet hands you? "oh if i don't vaccinate my child won't get autism b/c thats what some folks posted on the internet based on unreliable antectodal evidence" accck!!!
it seems to me that you might be best served by going back and reading my posts, since you seem to be lacking in any understanding of my position regarding autism.
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I think her point about un-immunized children posing a risk is that if you and a bunch of other people decide not to immunize, you lower the rate of herd immunity, possibly below its optimal threshold, which would then allow diseases to spread more easily.
if that were the case, then her child would be safe, since it was immunized.
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yes, your take. why don't you explain your take? and if you're not good at explaining your take, maybe your understanding is deficient, and needs a little improvement?
and if you don't understand something as elemental as people having differing opinions about even the "scientific method" itself, then we might have difficulty having a fruitful exchange.
and you seemed like such a nice person!
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done that, but didn't have the same take as you. and as far as giving a shit, me too, and that's why we are being so careful with how and when and with what we go about immunizing our child.
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those of you who do not vaccinate your children but the rest of our children at risk for serious diseases.
how does this work?
i'll take a look at your links when i have time; thanks.
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He didn't lie to his family, his wife has known about the affair for five months.
hmmm, i'm pretty sure he lied at some point, right? but that wasn't the issue for me; the issue was rob's flippant attitude towards behaviour that causes immense pain in many families.
Seriously? How does that relate to politics?
see my first post.
and doug's, ie party of god and morals and all that shizzle.
if instead of being a republican he was a satanist liar, then probably no hypocrisy.
again, my comment was directed at what i perceived to be rob's flippancy. and yes politicians are human and make mistakes, and shouldn't necessarily be unelectable or impeached for this. but i do "give a shit" about what they do.
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link me towards the huge studies; i'd be interested in looking at them.
yeah and "orthodoxy" in seattle is a little different, but the national standard per CDC and AAP is rather daunting, to say the least, and probably different that what your pediatrician recommended. check out their website!
PEPS is a parent group of sorts, newbie parents getting together and socializing, talking about challenges, what works, what doesn't, etc etc. been really cool to be a part of for the first 5 months of little bear's life.
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He didn't lie to his family, his wife has known about the affair for five months.
hmmm, i'm pretty sure he lied at some point, right? but that wasn't the issue for me; the issue was rob's flippant attitude towards behaviour that causes immense pain in many families.
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proof that you can vaccinate your kids, and still be a moron. Yayyyyyy!