MrChips

Here Here, We need to salute and acknowledge the friends who were there with us. We need to remember them, honour them, and celebrate the fact that they lived. This is important.

Yes John, I understand, and I see you have had similar encounters. I guess my point is, don't sit at home on this website all weekend cuz someone told you the proposed route you were planning on hitting up is GONE. Climb safe with your wife.

Also, What's up when people say "naw man, that route's out of season".?? I had a 'mountaineer' tell me that on good authority, the moat was present on Forbiddens west ridge approach, so the climb could not be done, i should have timed it better. well, i head up there and we easily scramble down through and around, a bit of a nuisance really but only about 15 mins of extra time and voila, we are up on the ridge without any wankers around. which is great cuz someone would have probably told me that the anchors were 'out' on the east ridge descent route, then we would have really been screwed!!

Yes, why would manky rap slings bother you? You seem to KNOW that they are, so you're ahead of the game, hell, maybe put up some new ones. that's like a handyman saying "well, i can't get into my basement, the last step is broken". Cognitive dissonance.

What are you talking about, I 'just' got back! What are you expecting?

It's been awhile, but I am glad to be back, to offer flavourful advice and opinion, all with a heavy dash of reality.