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at least little suburban sprawl, end of mac-mansions, not eat meat at every meal, massive investment in public transit, energy conservation, ...

is that all you've got?

also consider that consumption is 70% of GDP and we all know how much of that is sustainable without debt that JayB otherwise likes to scare us with.

Especially when you consider that much heavy industrial production (what usually consumes large amount of energy) has been shipped to developing nations. Complete snake oil.

It's because you are predictably buying the "per unit GDP" normalization of oil consumption. Just think about what makes up the GDP and how it relates to energy consumption. Right, the insurance and financial sectors and all these loans that nobody can afford are also part of this GDP. This is classic snake oil.

wow, you are such a sharp one ...

and the drivel goes on ...

per unit GDP? as in consumption that nobody can afford? more snake oil from the "free" market charlatans.

This is starting to resemble a post-scandal sermon in which Ted Haggard defends his right to condemn male escorts and meth binges... wow, the educated veneer is falling off ..

the "planet" cares about how much oil you use that you could avoid using. We have at least twice as far to go in this domain as any other nation among developed nations, thanks in part to your oil corporation shilling ways.

how is pointing the finger at the handy work of deregulators and oil industry shills like yourself "harping about how everyone else lives"? that's a blatantly dishonest synopsis of the arguments in this thread.

i know that understanding that we use at least twice as much oil per capita than any other OECD nations (apart from Canada!)is probably a little too complex for a data cherry picker like you, but consuming oil doesn't imply overconsuming oil.

ever noticed how conservative morons think that everything depend on Al Gore's carbon footprint?

tooting his horn right before he claimed I was tooting my horn for being virtuous, which I didn't do. Such predictable low handed techniques. of course JayB isn't going to mention here his opposition to reigning in the automobile industry or any other regulation of the oil sector, or clamping down on urban sprawl or his support for perpetual war in oil rich regions and here, he won't mention his refusal to finance a Manhattan project like effort to finance R&D for renewable energy. So you see folks, we can't do anything about it and conservative nitwits especially won't give us the means to do differently. A perfect synopsis for regressive policies for just about every major problem we face.

here comes the lie brigade

Your hypocrisy knows no bound. it's people like you who want to make it solely a personal issue, whereas I have done the exact opposite. As far as personal responsibility is concerned I have called for energy conservation for literally decades, which your type has ridiculed like forever.

the big difference is I know which fuckwits around here fight energy conservation tooth and nail, whereas you don't know jack about my footprint. Yet, it hasn't prevented you from telling me I was responsible for the policies YOU voted for.

after they made fun of those who rode their bicycle to work, of course.

the only people trying to avoid responsibility here are the fuckwits who shilled for the oil industry for all these years and now blame Joe Average for not riding his bicycle to get to work.

we already answered this several times: you don't know anything about people's individual footprint and we are talking policies that you promoted/opposed in order to undo our dependence on oil. Your rhetoric and logic of blaming the victims of the policies promoted by your politicians is lame. Regressives and their corporate allies who cheered on expanding offshore drilling should be held directly responsible for this environmental and economic disaster.

You do know that some of the dumbest denialists use the above argument seriously.

here comes Attila and his wisdom

how do you expect anyone to avoid entirely using oil and lead a reasonably normal life? your logic stinks. You are either a troll or a moron, possibly both.

I'm for all that but I don't dilute myself pointing fingers when I freely admit to being part of the demand. right, today you are also for regulating industry, don't you?

What do fuckwits like Nitrox say and do about decreasing oil consumption via expanding public transit, fuel efficiency standards, financing of clean energy R&D, energy conservation programs, stopping urban sprawl, stopping conspicuous consumerism, not waging foreign wars to control oil producing regions, etc ...?