iain

classic

DFA I dare you to post to the demoralizing the troops thread.

Entrada's close though, but more of a pure sandstone fm

Morrison, after Iain Morris famed sprayologist

pop quiz, what very famous formation contained the first-discovered Apatosaurus complete skeleton? You may have had to deal with it as choss in SE Utah/Colorado...

dammit dru, I swear you have your mouse in a holster

I think it goes back a long way actually. The Apatosaurus name has been around just as long as the scientific name. The guy who discovered "Apatosaurus" also named the fossil "Brontosaurus" later on, but it was discovered they were the same animal.

preaching to the choir...

This is an incomplete sentence.

looks like that nasa engineer from the mars program found a new job!

You are so quick to dismiss their arguments as shit, but if you read their arguments (and mine) side-by-side with yours, you can see that you're full of hot air. This is fact .. if you don't see it this way, you're in denial. I find your "I gotcha" diatribe laughable since I obviously did read your posts, and when I was referring to mtngoat's protege, I was referring to you.

no, I'm finished here because mtngoat and now apparently his protege have started in on their usual shit

you guys are still talking snowfall trash? bwhaahah! I haven't been in this thread for awhile and looky here!

As difficult as it was, I did read your posts. There's just not much there that hasn't already been said here. Since you obviously are just going to respond with what about my previous posts to everything (which essentially points to thin air in terms of substance) I think I'm finished here. I think you know where I stand, and I think I've been logical enough to spell it out. You certainly aren't going to change my mind with some two-bit condescending post like above.

oh but what of the gamble we take as we walk our children to school each day, not knowing when the Iraqi poison gas will strike our homeland, Iain! what a gamble! (insert 9/11 pictures etc here)

And these thousands of tons are clearly a different animal than cultures used to develop livestock antibiotics, and should be found. And I say these should be found through inspection at this time, rather than destabilizing the entire middle east on a witchhunt. At this point, now there is no endgame for us unless we find these weapons and lots of them. I certainly hope we do. We do not "win" once we slaughter this regime. We "win" when that area is in a stable situation and surrounding countries accept our presence at this point. I don't see that happening unless we now uncover a very real threat in Iraq. Seems like a big gamble to me.

note, I'm going to lunch for awhile, so you won't get any pithy comebacks for at least an hour. maybe someone else wants to pick this up? I'm done.

looks like we'll have an excellent "traditional" snow/ice climbing season in the oregon cascades, at least.

I would ask the expert weapons that question. Obviously the weapons themselves would be nice, but production facilities would be reasonable, I assume. How about when they are used against my friends overseas? Again, I don't have Anthrax production inspection on my resume and I don't have my Vx merit badge yet either. We entered a conflict supposedly to rid the country of so-called wmd's. Since we have no evidence of these yet, we may or may not happen upon some during the conflict, and will use this evidence to say, "see? we told you so." This is what I mean by "ends justifying the means". I meant you look silly right now. Boiling this down to "I'm a dumbass" if we find wmd's in Iraq is pretty silly, that's all.

That quote's way too good to be true, what's your source?

No, that is why I said I would think the weapons inspectors would have a good idea about this process. I'm not either, see above. I'd rather avoid a pointless internet tiff between to ignorant PNW climbers about how to inspect Iraq for chemical weapons. Christ almighty see above. I don't see why. All I'm asking of my goverment is to lay out to me the rational explanation for why we are there. Proof of said weapons and intent to distribute and use them would be good. Also, post-invasion discoveries considered to be "egg-in-the-face" would seem to make you look pretty silly...don't you think? Also that would be "ends justifying the means" logic, which periodically works, but many times, does not.

I'm wagering the traditional climbing season of April-May will be revealing if he remains above treeline.

I'm afraid of Wales. I have to build up an enormous amount of saliva just to ask for directions in that country.

Your posts would be more effective if they did not repeat themselves, as I demonstrate above. As for evidence, I would go by the same evidence the expert weapons inspectors would want to see. You can't make nuclear weapons in a meth lab. There seems to be a fairly sophisticated system for detecting chemical warfare agents as well. Perhaps we could use those? This has been thoroughly hashed out before, btw, so perhaps a brief search is in order...