Veteran's Club Climb Grades?

[rbwen]

We climbed two routes at Veteran's Club in the Icicle on Saturday that aren't in Kramer's book and wondered what the grades (and names?) might be. Going left to right they were the second and third climbs on the wall. The second climb started in a fist-sized double crack that trended left and up to a thin face and another wider crack about 3/4 of the way up. The third climb from the left started on an arete, moving left to small face features, then up onto a slab to the shared anchors with climb #2. My friend who climbed them thought they were 10c or a bit harder. These are the two climbs immediately left of Left Cheek (10a).

 

Any ideas?

 

Thanks! That's a fun wall if you've never been up there. An 8, a 9+, and a 10a (plus three other 10+ climbs). Sorta one-move wonders and a bit short but fun nonetheless on good, gritty rock.

 

rbwen

[slaphappy]

left route: Old Growth 10c

right route: Winnebago Warrior 10c

[rbwen]

Perfect. Thanks.