New jackets getting less adjustable

[davidstus]

I was wondering what people think about what seems to be a trend of newer models of jackets having less adjustability? I found this place as I was searching for used Marmot Trango Sweaters because the new ones are way less adjustable. By adjustable I mean a collar cord, pit zips, velcro cuffs and a hem cord, which all greatly expand temp range of jackets

Are this changes cost cutting? or simplifing to loss weight?

 

Thanks,

Dave

[John Frieh]

Some features of a jacket are essential... one's climbing style will dictate what is included on that list...

 

I agree with velcro cuffs (out of curiosity what did Marmot replace the cuff closure with?), and a hem cord... but that is about it.

 

IMO:

 

A collar cord is extra weight as if the spin drift/weather is that bad you would have a jacket with a hood on anyways.

 

Pit zips break and are extra weight. Yes I own a few jackets that do have them but its because the manufacture didn't offer a zipperless option.

 

I would suggest reading Twight's Extreme alpinism for a good discussion/debunk of "the layering system". Gadd's Climbing Ice discussion and scenario is also a must read. I would be happy to photocopy them for you and mail them to you if you'd like.