catbirdseat Posted November 10, 2003 Posted November 10, 2003 Have you seen the preview for the new movie? The Meatrix Quote
RobBob Posted November 10, 2003 Posted November 10, 2003 Cute, but bullshit. I know a little bit about agriculture, and it is not some kind of military-industrial complex. If there is a bad guy out there, it is Monsanto and the pharmo-companies. For what it's worth, I will add that while I am personally against most uses of oxytetracycline and other antibiotics in animal agriculture, the truth is that antibiotic resistance of salmonella, campylobacter, and e coli 0157 have all dropped over the past 10 years, not increased. My point is that while most of us don't want to eat micro amounts of antibiotics, we also shouldn't want to believe in political-based myths like the one that says we're building antibiotic immunities. Give us The Truth...whether it happens to support your particular cause or not. Quote
scott_harpell Posted November 10, 2003 Posted November 10, 2003 we also shouldn't want to believe in political-based myths like the one that says we're building antibiotic immunities. uh huh... mabe you should ask your doctor about that one. why do you think they are so reluctant to give out anti-biotics now? oh yeah. the myth is soo powerful it has forced PHD doctors to stop usiing anti-biotics. Quote
catbirdseat Posted November 10, 2003 Author Posted November 10, 2003 The problem of antibiotic resistance in humans comes down to a relatively few microorganisms, the worst of which include Staph aureus, mycobacteria sp. and Streptococcus sp. not "salmonella, campylobacter, and e coli 0157 ". Some of these other organisms can, however, transmit the plasmids for antibiotic resistance to the other bacteria. Quote
RobBob Posted November 10, 2003 Posted November 10, 2003 the myth is soo powerful it has forced PHD doctors to stop usiing anti-biotics. scott, You are referring to resistance due to direct antibiotic use by us humans, not resistance brought on by antibiotic use in animal agriculture, which is what I was talking about. Two different things, which at first blush may appear to be related in a way that they are not. Catbird, salmonella, campylobacter, and e coli 0157 are as I'm sure you know the main food-borne pathogens coming out of animal (and sometimes vegetable) products. The data are from animal populations where this has been said by some to be an issue. I believe that you would agree the human pathogen resistance risk is thought by physicians to come from human antibiotic use, not by any ag-animal vector. Quote
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