take_stock

I get the intention that Kurt sets out with, I get it. All these different books, lots of new action, update the old...an all inclusive Sno Valley Rock Guide. But it is real that guidebooks don't always make an area more accessible/safe, or give accurate beta, or consistent ratings, or proper respect to those who set routes, and many times an author does just take info and paste it in a book and doesn't give FA info and even changes the beta or ratings that they solicited from the route developer/FA in the first place..!!! If I were writing a biography and the person I'm writing it on doesn't give me their blessing then why the F would I still write it? I dunno, if a route developer or circle of locals who work at developing a crag want to keep it off the internet or out of a guide book then that is their choice. Doesn't matter how nice a guy an author is, how great it is for bumblys to have 2 or 3 books to get the best beta from, doesn't matter if anyone disagrees over who got butt hurt and if that's a valid feeling to have or not. What matters is the wishes and preferences of a developer and/or FA are respected, and credited where due. And I'm pretty sure route developers ain't in it for the money !!! I don't think that's what LUCKY is saying at all. I actually appreciate LUCKY bringing some history to the discussion because history usually is F*d up, so it would be GREAT to NOT repeat just another guidebook that either sucks or is a center for climber drama. And to Off White- maybe Marlene will take your case....