akhalteke
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Perhaps if people used the anterior cingulate cortex, we would be much better off. I suppose the status-quo of either using baseless emotion or anger/fear is here to stay; as is evidenced by the lengthy circle jerks I see on my now quarterly forays into this website.
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I hope you love your guns this much Republicans.
Classy, utilize a horrible tragedy as a political tool; despite the fact that you know nothing about the manner in which this individual obtained his firearms. How did I know I would find this filth on this website? You too Rob. Classless.
You're right, after a tragedy like this is no time to discuss gun control. Lol! Tool. Do you actually believe the shit that come out of your mouth? Cause I sure don't.
Let me guess, fuck me in my ass, right?
I guess that is your prerogative. You can call me a tool all you want but you are being classless and I think you know it.
I'm done here.
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I hope you love your guns this much Republicans.
Classy, utilize a horrible tragedy as a political tool; despite the fact that you know nothing about the manner in which this individual obtained his firearms. How did I know I would find this filth on this website? You too Rob. Classless.
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I would retire QDs before 10 years (manufacturer's wear-out is considerably less)
I really like the 'wires too. They are beefy enough to give yo ua little extra reach on clips, they are durable feeling(if that makes sense) and they are really awesome looking if you have 10-12 racked on your harness.
I know it shouldn't matter, but I think looks matter sometimes...
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True iconoclasts like The Bone are never understood in their own time. Kevbone's ideas will not gain full acceptance for hundreds of years, until after the fall, when the Cult of Bone becomes the one true path to knowledge, in a far off post-apocalyptic wasteland, where people are ever dumber than they are now.
Did you know that the frequency of electricity in home wiring is designed to absorb alpha wave signals from your brain and transmit them to the government?
Epic post!
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I got my ass of a mountain with a 7.62 round in my leg and a shattered tibia.
Post a TR!
You have a SIPR account?
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Well Water, first, fuck you. Second, he clearly didn't know how to operate said compass. Oh, and third, fuck the FB spraying poser who can't get his able bodied ass off a mountain. I got my ass of a mountain with a 7.62 round in my leg and a shattered tibia. What's his excuse again?
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Most SAR missions involve Alzheimer patients who've wondered off and the ever present "lost hiker on Tiger Mt". Spicing it up a bit once in a while isn't necessarily a bad thing for many SAR folks.
They're also not necessarily in short supply these days, either. 150 folks showed up for the Green River body recovery (a car went into the drink). I'm not being cavalier here, but SAR exists to help folks in trouble, and most of those folks are going to be in trouble due to inexperience and resultant mistakes.
It's, you know, kind of why SAR exists.
No shit. This doesn't mean that this man's actions are not horrendously dangerous both to himself and the potential rescuers. Only one person here said that he should be left to die. GKK.
I have gotten dumber people; one who used their S.P.O.T. to get rescuers to come because their water tasted "funny." Had to hike out to a person on a peak 1.2k away who I could see with my naked eyes on the summit while I was talking to him on the phone (and I was in a 100ftx40ft paved parking lot. I am not saying to let him die, but merely that their actions should be borderline criminal (or at least costly) in their negligence and their potential for harm to others.
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If you "save" 1 in 20, yes that "sounds good" but how many of those people really need saving if they are unable to orient themselves in the same weather that you are sending rescuers up in?
How many SAR *volunteers* "need" to save.
If volunteers are willing to help out folks who get in trouble, then what basis are you using to complain about their risking their lives? It's their business, not yours.
Since I am a SAR tech, I suppose it IS my business. SAR techs are told where to go by Incident Commanders; especially in this type of rescue. There are very few SAR techs that are even really true 'volunteers' anymore.
True, on a large non-technical rescue, you have volunteers to cover large areas, but in most cases, the rescuers are Parks Service Employees, DOI employees, contracted air assets or military service members; particularly National Guard.
Think of it this way. Would you, as an Incident Commander really want a whole bunch of people who you did not know the capabilities of running around on a hill during a rescue who could become an incident within an incident by becoming injured or lost or incorrectly rigging a patient on a litter? No way.
Last guy I know that died on a SAR was Nick Hall. Park Service employee and I remember at least 6 off the top of my head and none of them were volunteers.
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my bad. lil' tired over here.
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It's important to remember that SAR folks are trained to put their own safety above those of they rescue, for obvious reasons.
Actually, it is quite the opposite. It is gospel that you are MORE important than your victim. The premise is that you cannot save the patient/victim if you are dead and creating another casualty will complicate the incident and risk the lives of more SAR techs.
Now, if this practice is treally applied as it should is up for grabs but this is the doctrine of EVERY SAR group I have worked with and the new National Course taught by the Parks Service.
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I was into SAR and mountain rescue stuff briefly. I think every single mission I was on, the guy was doing something stupid. If you think about it, it makes sense. Sort of a self-selecting sample size, right?
SAR guys love doing that shit. But still, ANYTIME a SAR/Mountain Rescue guy comes after you, he's potentially risking everything for you, and I'm not sure I buy that only SOME accidents are "qualifying" and "worth it" or whatever. SAR guys will make sure that they don't take undo risks (and as you point out, actually these guys do not do wild and crazy stuff generally, even if it means waiting a day), but at the end of the day if any of them die, the subject is to blame. Period. Regardless of how he got into trouble, or whether he was prepared or not, or whatever.
That said, in the long run rescue services are an acceptable risk of life, aren't they? SAR guys do good work and rarely get injured -- just pulling numbers out of my ass, imagine that one rescuer is killed for every 20 lives saved...well, that's worth it, right?
tl;dnr
I don't think we should stop sending rescue to people for doing dumb shit, because they're the large majority of ones who need rescuing.
Also, I think you're underestimating the risks this guy was in once he got turned around. And getting an exact location from a subject's cell phone is not as simple as you make it sound, I was on one mission where we were actually talking to the guy trying to find him.
Anyway, Happy End-Of-Prohibition day!
If you "save" 1 in 20, yes that "sounds good" but how many of those people really need saving if they are unable to orient themselves in the same weather that you are sending rescuers up in?
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So, if he already wasn't going to graduate, then how did he resign? Doesn't this seem like quitting after being fired? Sounds like he was pissed off about getting shit-canned and made up a political ploy.
Oh and Tvash, he 'almost' achieved something I haven't done. He will never accomplish what I have and even if he DID graduate, I would still have more education than he. I suppose he will get a book deal out of it but if your dignity is that cheap, what do you really have to be proud of?
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i'll always be fine w/ the sar-boys saying no-fucking-way-boy-o - that said, on the volcanoes, the weather's usually much better near the base, so it's pretty easy to at least set out from the parking lot before pulling the plug...
The thing is, it almost always is the SAR boys that want to go no matter what. It is usually the Incident Commander that pulls the plug because there is a 10% change of snow above 10,000 ft.
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Its been really fucking dangerous lately actually. Fucker are just booby trapping the whole country. Most injuries we have seen are genital and leg amputations. Tack that with the ANP shooting us in the back and you have a hell of a shit storm.
I just think it is odd that he couldn't see these careerist fucks for what they are, I don't know, 4 years ago? Timing seems a little off. Also, if he were committed to the cause enough to be a combat leader, would you let something as silly as this dissuade you or would you just find another way to get there?
Fishier than 2 day old Cod in July.
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...and that is the line of thinking that I take with my involvement in SAR. It doesn't mean that every asshole with a SPOT transceiver can put my life in jeopardy by being stupid with his life choices.
My point is that clearly the weather wasn't that bad if SAR teams were able to get to him. Furthermore, the weather wasn't that bad at all if the SAR teams were allowed to go to him. You would be surprised how hamstrung most SAR teams are when dealing with "bad weather."
This is the only thing I am trying to point out...
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ah, i see. so...what would have been a better way to draw attention to and protest the conquest of one of our most sacrosanct secular institutions by the scourge of the Shaved Men? doesn't seem so hard to see sacrificing your career and hard-won appointment to an august body to gain public awareness as an example of the ideals in that oath to protect the constitution against all enemies...
Seems like he was there for 4 years, had plenty of time to se what it was like. If he truly felt the calling to serve his country, he could have simply declined his commission and served as an infantryman. Personally, the timing seems a little suspect; as he is likely only 4-6 months away form an Afghanistan rotation.
Knowing what WPers are like takes about 13 seconds of time spent around a WPer. They are self-interesting, career-minded narcissistic asshats who would sacrifice their men to the last in order to make a rank one day above their classmates.
The last commander I had was from WP and was an atheist, so not really too sure why this guy is flipping his lid. I personally think that he didn't think his life choices out thoroughly and now regrets it. Unfortunately, this day in age allows for such a lack in intestinal fortitude. God forbid he stick to a commitment.
I think the fancy uniforms and regal history sucked him in until the thought of getting blown up in a God forsaken shit-hold sunk in and he found the only self-righteous and "respectable" out.
MOO, but its probably the truth.
Personal accountability is a bitch.
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What if a rescuer died trying to save a guy that was in no predicament at all?
what if the same rescuer died trying to save a guy who waited until the absolute last minute to ask for help? fuck it, whatever - if you devote your life to saving people, you pretty much accept that you could get killed b/c people are dipshits, much like, if you join the military, you can get killed b/c your civilian leaders are clueless monkey-fuckers...
I think that is taking it to the proverbial "Hitler Zenith." Sure, you assume some risk, but throwing yourself into conditions that are "too dangerous" for a man to descend sounds kinda fishy. Either you are risking too much to save him or he is being a giant pussy. In this case it is the latter. Anyone who has worked for SAR would see the issue with this thinking. Rescuer safety is paramount because as the adage goes, you can't save anyone when you are dead and you don't want an "incident within an incident."
Now with the military, they just send of to our deaths to make an extra couple cents... No surprise there.
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I was talking about the former cadet. Not you brother.
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Kinda hypocritical to cast aspersions about another's oath while reneging on your contract and your own sworn oath.... Just saying.
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Nail, meet head...
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Oh and Tvash... Didn't you imply that you were some Navy Seal or some kind of other "professional killer? Hypocrite or a liar, take your pick you pathetic bitch.
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Perhaps the let-im-die crowd could draft a helpful missive articulating their thoughts to the gentleman's mother. I'm sure she's easily found on FB.
Perhaps certain posters might also take a break from professional killing to regain a sense of perspective about what kind of society they believe they're "protecting", and I use that term very, very loosely.
It's easy as pie to say some idiot should die for making an error in judgement, or simply getting mother nature's intentions wrong, on the internet. It probably wouldn't be quite as easy to explain your position to a room full of the family, children, friends, and colleagues who would be devastated by such a loss.
I've been one of those surviving friends - I've been in that room - several times.
Seriously, get a grip.
What if a rescuer died trying to save a guy that was in no predicament at all? What would you say to their families? What would you say to Nick Hall's parents if the guy he was saving was a two bit assclown who didn't have the guts to get down a mountain? Because I have been in THAT room with THOSE people...
Boofuckinghooo, take responsibility for you actions (or inactions). If I were the incident commander, I would tell him where he was at and tell him a direction and azimuth and wait for him with some hot coco and an ass chewing.
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I may think Glassgowkiss is an asshole, but he is right on all accounts. Fuck this guy. He endangered other people by forcing them to brave the same conditions he was too afraid to confront. Fuck him in his motherfucking ass. If your shit ain't broke, walk your ass down or die trying. Yeah, your life is worth a couple dozen guy's lives because you were too unprepared to deal with the consequences of your actions.
So, let him die? Is that what you are saying, alcoholteke?
Well, bare minimum, charge him for the rescue. In reality, he didn't need it and really shouldn't have died if he were prepared, so let him find his own goddamn way down. SAR has the ability to get his location off phone pings to a pretty narrow window. Give him his location and let him take the rest from there.
Has anyone climbed in seychelles islands?
in The rest of the US and International.
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Yeah, I did a bit of climbing there. On the main island, Mahe, there is so much moisture and moss on everything you cannot really climb anything. We tried some extremely "sporty" adventure climbing on some really nice looking lines but it was so wet and insecure that I almost had to change my pants. Now there is some organized climbing on one of the other islands Prasline which sees enough traffic to keep it relatively clean but it is for the most part only really accessible with one of the "guide services."
When you get off the plane, and look at all the pristine black granite coming up out of the ocean, you think that it is like some closely guarded rock climbing paradise. Unfortunately, it is really difficult to climb; especially in an adventurous manner there.
When I get back to the states, I will post some pictures of the rock and my failed attempt. Also, if you are going there, sumitting the highest mountain on the island is also a really fun adventurous hike. It follows some weird drainage system and sometimes you think you are just walking into the jungle but it is right up ahead and the summit is adorned with a large metal cross.