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What is the difference between the Trango EVO GTX, and the Trango S EVO GTX?
That size should fit me just perfectly, and I'm interested if the boot is intended for similar use.
PM sent also.
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Just a notice to everyone that this was not legit.
I exchanged several PMs, and nothing came of it, last response was a week ago, when I asked for a reference email.
He claimed to be a NPS SAR person, and said a NPS Ranger could send an email vouching for him, since he had no NPS account.
Also said he had a buyers history on eBay, but did not.
Said he used to post on cc.com, but his id showed he just signed up two days ago.
Joshua Tree is in Southern Cal, said buyer could pick up there!
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A serious question about the dog.
I started taking my dog with me on hikes (not glaciers or up high), but I was wondering if I needed to worry about her eyes on something like Granite Mtn on a bright summer day. It's in the open sun from about 5,000 to 6,000 feet and I was concerned about it.
Is this something to worry about, and where can I get goggles for her?
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PM sent on the UltraLamina.
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PM sent
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I posted an embarrassingly long set of miscellaneous comments on some tents in this thread about the Bibler Tempest:
I would add to those comments above that if I were choosing any lightweight 2-man mountaineering tent, the Hilleberg Nallo would be at or near the top.
The Black Diamond Hilight as I mentioned in that thread I linked to above is lighter without the vestibule, but if you want a vestibule it is very close to the Nallo 2 weight. In addition, you are more likely to want a ground sheet under the Hilight because the floor is so thin compared to the Nallo, which brings the weight to about the same.
The Nallo advantages are mainly:
-it will never need seam sealing (they use fell seams instead of tape or sealer, and claim they have never had a fell seam leak any water in their 25-year history)
- it will never leak no matter how many days of rain
- it will probably withstand UV light a lot longer (Hillebergs are known for being UV-resistant)
- Hilleberg uses the strongest outer wall fabrics of anybody
- Spectra-blend guy lines are stronger, hold almost zero water, have nearly zero stretch, have no sheath to separate from the core, and each guy line attaches to two points to distribute the load better
- if the outer wall ever tears or gets a hole, you still have some protection from the inner tent
- it's bigger in both dimensions, and the walls are more vertical
- you can buy one with an extended vestibule (the Nallo GT)
- you can pitch it with or without an outer wall
- you can pitch it with double-poles in each sleeve for extra strength
- you can pitch it first with loose pole and peg tension, then tighten them after pitch is complete for extra strength.
- it pitches more "dry" than any other tent in a rainstorm (you pitch it *with* the rainfly already on the tent instead of inner tent in the rain then covering it with a fly after, plus you can stay outside the tent until it's pitched, then go into the vestibule and remove your wet clothing before entering the inner tent)
- all their tents are made to be pitched by one person, while wearing gloves, in high winds. No hassling with forcing poles into the inside corners of a bucking tent and trying to use little twist ties or velcro like Bibler/ID, and all items can be handled with gloves on.
- the Nallo would be warmer in cold weather (double-wall, and the inner tent is unusally wind and water-repellant while still being very breathable)
- the Nallo should have the least condensation in wet weather. Note that does not mean zero condensation, as no tent can guarantee that, and it requires that you try to pitch it dry, vent it as much as possible, and if you're lucky to get a big enough tent so you don't touch the inside walls very often. In addition, Hilleberg recommends that you cover your gear in the vestibule when it is raining heavily or on occasions when there is a lot of humidity in the air.
Sales pitch type of comments:
- every Hilleberg tent is completely made by one person, and every tent they sell has been pitched before leaving the factory.
- many of the Hilleberg tents from 25 years ago are still in use today.
- customer service is great, with the founder's daughter in the US (near Seattle), and often available to answer questions. As and example, Black Diamond is annoying because they cannot provide replacement sacks for their tents. Hilleberg sells tent bags, 5 different kinds of stakes, sled bags, etc.
- the big profit margins in gear are in clothing. This is why North Face and Mountain Hardwear can give away so many tents and sponsor all those expeditions; they get the cost back through increased clothing sales. In addition, I've heard that many of the tents you see used by high-profile climbers they sponsor are not stock off-the-floor construction, but have been modified.
- look at who uses Hillebergs (get a copy of their paper catalog and look at all the extreme users noted by the photos). Their tents are also used by special ops military teams.
Downsides of the Nallo are that:
- the poles must be inserted from the sides so if you're on a knife-edged ridge that can be harder
- it is not as cool in summer weather (but if you aren't expecting rain you can pitch without the outer wall and it will be much cooler)
- one of the vents (other side from the door) is at the bottom so if it get's buried under snow you'll only have one vent left
Finally, a thread that shows how strong a Nallo is in severe windstorms (look for "Rainier" a little past half way).
Oddly enough, the poster ragged about what garbage these tents are, after THREE DAYS OF 75-100 MPH WINDS.
Bizarre, but it shows how strong these little guys are.
He also didn't seeem to realize that the Nallo is one of their "weak" ultralight tents, and Hilleberg recommends two poles in each sleeve if you expect severe winds.
If you want the severe weather version of the Nallo (wind, sand, UV light, etc), they really recommend that you use one of the Nammatj tents (pronounced Nah-MAWJ).
The Nammatj also has both vents at the top, and is their only tent that allows you to open a port to the outside while still in the inner tent (for use as a window, or for photographers to use on a shoot). It also offers more guy-line points, and the GT version comes with a bug mesh over the vestibule door.
As a final note, Hilleberg recommends one of their dome tents if you want a tent made for several feet of snow loading.
If you want a modular tent, look at the Stalon. It allows you to zip on/off extended or standard vestibules, connect it to other Stalons, etc.
If you want a lightweight 2-man Hilleberg, with two doors and two vestibules, look at the Kaitum (the full-strength version is the Keron).
For the best set of photos of tents, I use this site:
You can read their more Hilleberg information here:
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Hey, I said "probably", and he did say Womens.
Most women I've known want powder skirts.
I don't make the rules, I just offer my best guess...
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See next posting.
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I spent quite a bit of time looking at jackets for hiking and light climbing last fall. Sounds like your needs have two main differences, which is that you would probably want a powder skirt inside the jacket, and don't care about a belt covering the outside pockets (you didn't say backcountry skiing so I assume you're not wearing descent backpacks).
If it really has to be Gore, then you can ignore my recommended jacket, but hopefully the criteria and comments will still help you do your own evaluation.
GoreTex waterproofing is the same as everything else (except eVent), which is a stretched Teflon with a coating to protect it from body oils and abrasion.
I created a list of criteria I used to measure them, but it's not necessarily complete. I listed it at the bottom.
I'll get to the point right off.
I liked the Mountain Hardwear Backcountry Recon the best and it won for my needs. Of course I'm just one opinion, and no single jacket will suit all needs, but I've been very happy with it.
I personally have a requirement for waterproofing under extremely high winds, or extreme downpours for many hours.
In fact, the women's version is extremely light at about 1 pound, but is very strong.
I often carry one myself since it's lighter weight and nearly as tough as the men's, and the only difference is it's missing one outer chest pocket (which overlaps a lower pocket, so it's useless for anything other than paper anyway).
Major vendors:
- Arc'teryx
- Integral Designs
- Marmot
- Mountain Hardwear
- North Face
- Outdoor Research
- Patagonia
- REI
- Sierra Designs
There's also vendors that focus more on climbing gear, like
- Mammut
- Montbell
- Wild Things
- etc
Short opinions below (not a complete list, just some random thoughts):
- I checked all the web sites, and some sucked really bad, like Patagonia
- I called several of the vendors and was disappointed they couldn't give better answers about their own products
- there is little agreement on how waterproof the new zippers are
- most hood adjustments suck because of cord locations and poor locks
- Arc'teryx appears to be the fashion show jacket, because of the cool factor they so desperately strive for, the extreme pricing, and the fact that they fare so poorly using the criteria below, although they do make some good climbing jackets
- North Face is the fading fashion show vendor (similar to what Arc'teryx is now)
- Mountain Hardwear has something like 27 jackets and it's difficult to tell why you would pick one over the other, although all the vendors with an extensive product line have this problem
- Marmot has many jackets that are hard to pick from, but mostly their zippers made me nervous for high wind situations, and they are also very expensive
- Patagonia has a confusing market position, but probably wins the award for ugly and bulky
- it is shocking how many of these jackets have useless pockets once you put on a pack!
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Price
Weatherproofing
- seams (welded or taped)
- zips (water-resistant or double-flapped)
- pockets (drip flaps, water-resistant zips)
- membrane (all the same as GoreTex, except eVent)
Pockets (outside)
- above belt (still accessible while wearing a pack)
Hood
- adjustable cords, cord locks that hold and work with mittens
- fit
- helmet compatible
- coverage (partial face coverage for severe wind/cold)
- brim (stiff enough for rain/wind)
Inside
- fuzzy lining, slick lining, etc
- pockets
- total number, waterproof, any for bottle-holding
- snow skirt (for skiing, but bulky under a pack)
Fit
- Sleeves (articulated, meaning made with a pre-bent elbow)
- Shoulders (allows easy movement)
- Waist (forms without being constraining)
- Cuffs (to keep cold air out and to work with your glove choice)
Fabric
- durable (shoulder/elbow reinforcement)
- quiet
- soft feel
- breathable
- stiffness (under arms)
- stiffness (when frozen)
- welded vs stitched seams
- laminated 2-layer vs 3-layer
Weight/Size (size means compressed-size)
Style/Color (personal choice)
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I would look at the Integral Designs Unishelter, eVent version. It's (relatively) light, the most breathable, and is the only one with a vent that still works during heavy rain. It's also a lot longer than most at 98".
The Bibler ToddTex tents/bivies come with or without FR treatment (Fire Retardant). The FR-treated versions are even heavier and less breathable than the non-treated versions, so it's a big step down from eVent fabric for weight and breathability.
Unishelter:
Tripod Bivy:
http://www.bdel.com/gear/tripod.php
http://www.bdel.com/gear/detail/tripod_detail.php
Hooped Bivy (the Big Wall is the same bivy with an added tie-off):
http://www.bdel.com/gear/hooped_bivy.php
http://www.bdel.com/gear/detail/hooped_bivy_detail.php
Other Bivies. I looked at most of these at Marmot and each one had issues I didn't like, but they may work for you. Be careful to check each bivy to ensure it will seal out heavy rains for many hours, and still allow some venting. The Unishelter has the best venting system because of the little stovepipe tunnel vent works even in heavy rain.
Also check to make sure it's easy to seal the bivy from the inside. One of them, (I think the Salathe but not sure right now) was almost impossible to seal from the inside because of a difficult-to-use velcro strip design.
Salathe:
South Col (eVent version):
Bugaboo:
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I would look at the Integral Designs Unishelter, eVent version instead. It's a lot lighter, and more breathable, and is the only one with a vent that still works during heavy rain. It's also a lot longer (98" instead of 89").
The Bibler ToddTex tents/bivies come with or without FR treatment (Fire Retardant). The FR-treated versions are even heavier and less breathable than the non-treated versions, so it's a big step down from eVent fabric for weight and breathability.
Unishelter:
Tripod Bivy:
http://www.bdel.com/gear/tripod.php
http://www.bdel.com/gear/detail/tripod_detail.php
Hooped Bivy (the Big Wall is the same bivy with an added tie-off):
http://www.bdel.com/gear/hooped_bivy.php
http://www.bdel.com/gear/detail/hooped_bivy_detail.php
Other Bivies. I looked at most of these at Marmot and each one had issues I didn't like, but they may work for you. Be careful to check each bivy to ensure it will seal out heavy rains for many hours, and still allow some venting. The Unishelter has the best venting system because of the little stovepipe tunnel vent works even in heavy rain.
Also check to make sure it's easy to seal the bivy from the inside. One of them, (I think the Salathe but not sure right now) was almost impossible to seal from the inside because of a difficult-to-use velcro strip design.
Salathe:
South Col:
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Keep in mind that the Epic-fabric tents are in the same weight range as the Tripod Bivy, so may be worth a look, depending on how rugged a shelter you need.
The OneShot tent is the lightest, but for 1/4 lb more you get a 2-man tent that can take an optional vestibule.
OneShot:
http://www.bdel.com/gear/oneshot.php
http://www.bdel.com/gear/detail/oneshot_detail.php
HiLight:
http://www.bdel.com/gear/hilight.php
http://www.bdel.com/gear/detail/hilight_detail.php
Comments on waterproof-ness of the Epic tents:
http://alaskamountaineering.com/Product.cfm?id=487
http://alaskamountaineering.com/Product.cfm?id=486
->make sure you do a good job seam-sealing the Epic tents<-
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How about the Integral Designs Dolomitti?
That Arcteryx jacket on ebay doesn't have a hood so won't be anywhere near as warm as any reasonable jacket with a hood.
http://arcteryx.com/product.aspx?Fission-LT-Jacket
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Is this the 2006 model (zippable vent at bottom of closed end of outer wall, and zipper flaps)?
Assuming it's the standard, not the GT model.
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The short answer on why I said Epic is more breathable than eVent, is that I haven't tried to collect metrics on breathability of the various fabrics, so I inferred it.
It's annoying to me that there isn't a standardized test method, which would dicatate thinks like setting standard test conditions for things like the temperature, humidity, and air pressure on both sides of a material. In addition water vapor injection rate (simulates human release of vapor), fabric tension, and mounting axis (horizontal would be suggested so the test could look for the first drop of water to fall indicating the failure point of the fabric).
Back to your question, Epic is lighter than eVent, more transparent to light than eVent, and will eventually pass water droplets, leading me to assume that if it is less resistant as a barrier for liquid water it is also likely to be less of a barrier for water vapor.
I may be wrong in this assumption, but hope that answers your question.
One thing I forgot to mention is the option of Carbon-Fiber poles for many different tents from Fibraplex. I don't use them, and they are expensive, but I know some people do switch to them from the vendor's aluminum.
I would worry about fracture if I was in extreme cold. I talked with one of the Gregory staff several times about various issues (yes, I did quite a bit of research into backpacks like I did tents, but I didn't look at climbing packs, just hiking and mountaineering packs so I assume it's not of much value to people here). I have a Denali Pro and think it's a great pack.
He said they experimented with CarbonFiber on their Denali Pro but had too many instances of that material cracking in extreme cold (standard stays are 7075 aircraft aluminum). Of course, Boeing is making their new airplane out of CarbonFiber, but I'm guessing the quality (and associated cost) is a little different than Fibralex...
But there it is as an option.
http://fibraplex.com/tentpoles2B.asp
After you asked me about the Epic breathability I did a google search and found these two links:
http://reviews.ebay.com/Fabrics-that-breathe_W0QQugidZ10000000001030179
On that note, these are several places I look for reviews if anyone's interested:
http://www.backpackgeartest.org
I also thought these Alaska outfitters had some good information:
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What did I choose?
I cheated.
I found a used Eldorado with two doors and no FR treatment, in excellent condition and bought it. My understanding is that once manufacturing moved to China for the 2002 production run, the two-door option was dropped, so you have to find an older tent to get that. I suppose Rainy Pass Repair (in Seattle) could put one in but I've never asked them about it.
I also bought a Black Diamond HiLight for a lighter weight solution that still stands up to severe weather for at least a day or two at a time. It also breathes much better than the ToddTex/TegralTex, or eVent fabrics, so condensation is less of an issue, although you will get condensation on anything under the right conditions.
In fact on the condensation topic, the options seem to break down as listed below.
These are the single-wall approaches:
- Epic. highly breathable and waterproof fabric but it will fail under enough days of heavy rain. (used by Black Diamond)
- eVent. More breathable fabric than other GoreTex-type materials. All the waterproof/breathable fabrics are the same; they stretch Teflon (ePTFE). Problem is that Teflon fails to be waterproof if it is contaminated with oil. The traditional oil-protection is to use a PolyUrethane (PU) coating, but this takes a lot of the breathability away, and it holds moisture on the inside of the fabric making it feel clammy. The eVent solution is to coat the fibrils of ePTFE which allows it to breathe better. Sounds great, but nobody makes a tent from eVent. Integral Designs did for a while (the MK1 Lite eVent), but it is no longer in production. I don't know if it was pulled for cost reasons, or durability reasons. Maybe someone else can chase that one down and report back.
- GoreTex and it's many derivatives. As mentioned above, they're all the same. It doesn't breathe fast enough to keep all condensation from forming on the inside wall in high-condensation conditions, so not many tents are made from it.
- ToddTex/TegralTex (same fabric, just using different colors, and sometime FR treated, sometimes not). These use the same ePTFE stuff as the GoreTex fabrics. But they manage the condensation problem by putting a paper-towel fuzz (Nexus) on the inside of the fabric. This helps by holding the water in place while it "waits" for a chance to vent through the GoreTex layer.
- Waterproof non-breathable fabric. Not much to say here, just that you will get a lot of condensation unless you are in a very dry environment with litle temperature difference inside/outside the tent.
It's worth noting that you must have a pressure difference inside/outside the tent also. The higher air temp inside the tent creates this and pushes airflow to the outside allowing for venting of the water vapor.
Double-wall approach:
- inside wall ("inner tent") is very breathable, the outside wall ("fly") is waterproof/non-breathable. Not much to add. It's good if the inside wall doesn't wick the condensation dripping onto it from the outer wall, to the stuff inside the tent, and it's great if the outer wall is strong and light. Double-wall tents need to have two walls each strong enough for their task so it is generally harder to make it as light as a single-wall.
Other double-wall issues:
- setup in rain. All the US-made tents require an inner tent pitch first, then the fly is pitched over the top. If it's raining this means you just got a lot of water in your tent before you even went inside. Only Hilleberg solves this problem, because you can pitch both walls at once, with their "linked" approach, so you can set it all up, then go inside where it's still dry.
- strength. Because you have two walls and weight needs to be kept low, most double-wall tents are not strong enough for hurricane-force winds and heavy snow loads. Hilleberg tents are strong enough for this and still weigh very little. You can also put two poles through the sleeves on their lightest tents (instead of one pole), making it even stronger for severe weather. Interestingly, they do not tape their seams. They say the waterproofing will not adhere to tape, so they use "fell seams" instead, which are stronger and still waterproof.
- inner wall wicking. Hilleberg uses a very breathable inner tent fabric, but it also sheds water very well, preventing just about any wicking. They even have a photo in their catalog of the inner wall material holding a tennis-ball amount of water inside.
- venting. All Hilleberg tents include at least one top vent, and almost all include two for cross-flow.
- wind penetration. Many double-wall tents have fly designs that do not go all the way to the ground. This is good for venting but bad for extreme cold or wind. Check out the fly design if those are issues.
On the pitch-in-the-rain scenario, nothing is drier than the staked-design (not freestanding) Hilleberg tents because you can do the entire pitch without unzipping or entering the tent wearing your wet clothing. Once its setup, you can enter the vestibule, pull of the wet gear, then enter the tent.
The Bibler and Integral Designs force you to unzip and go inside the tent during setup to put the poles in place.
If you're interested in more Hilleberg information, read here:
http://hilleberg.com/TentInformation.htm
http://hilleberg.com/Catalog/tents_47616_products.htm
Last issue is the freestanding or staked tent designs.
Freestanding is nice for being able to move the tent after setup, and it also has the smallest footprint, although some of the staked designs are quite small too. Check the space required for full guy-out and staking to be sure before you buy.
I don't consider freestanding much of an advantage otherwise, because if you're expecting strong winds you'll have to stake it all around anyway.
Bottom line is that I would go with one of these solutions:
- Bibler or Integral Designs (see previous post)
- Hilleberg (Akto, Nallo, Unna, or Jannu)
- Black Diamond Epic tents (see previous post)
As a side note, hikers can use some ultralight solutions like these, but for now I prefer a full tent, or a bivy sack:
- TarpTents
http://www.tarptent.com/products.html
- Hennessy Hammocks
http://www.hennessyhammock.com/comparisonchart.html
For a Bivy Sack, I looked at many of them and like these two:
- Integral Designs UniShelter - eVent (not TegralTex)
- Bibler Big Wall Bivy (Hooped Bivy is the same without the tie-off point)
This all assumes one or two people, wanting a very lightweight tent while on the move. If there's more people, or it's a basecamp scenario, then that's different. For example, at high camps, UV light becomes a serious issue, and you must consider how long your tent will last under that kind of stress. Another example is that many users want a tent without a floor so they chop in seating or whatever in the snow.
Everybody likes the Mountain Hardwear Trango 2, but it weighs 10 pounds!
At that weight, there are many choices from Hilleberg as well.
I'm tired of talking tents.
Out for now.
Harry
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All tents will get water inside in the right conditions. The best solutions are a good double-wall (Hilleberg), or a fuzzy-lined fabric that holds the water for later pass-through on a breathable fabric (Integral Designs TegralTex, or Bibler ToddTex).
Of course good venting and keeping wet clothes out helps a lot too.
I posted a detailed write-up on the I-Tent vs Tempest issue under Gear Critic.
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I went through a great deal of energy considering the Biblers (I-Tent, Eldorado, Tempest), and the Integral Designs (MK1 Lite, MK1 XL, MK3).
First off on your two tents, I-Tent and Tempest. The Tempest is not seam-taped, which is why it is a lot less money than it's closest competitor, which is the Fitzroy. That also means you really need to do a good job with the seamgrip stuff, and also be prepared for the tent to wear out sooner than the other tents listed here (I think it's the only one not seam-taped out of the tents mentioned here).
I called Black Diamond several times and spoke to several of their tent experts, but I was comparing the Ahwahnee to the Tempest.
One of my biggest questions was how the Tempest could have two more poles, two more vestibules, made from the same fabric (ToddTex), and still weigh only about a half-pound more?
The answer was that the Ahwahnee is heavy because of those two zippers that full-outline the big-side-doors.
And the Tempest is light because it has no seam tape, the end doors are not ToddTex but a lightweight nylon, and the vestibules have no poles and use a light SilNylon.
You have to make a vestibule decision first.
Do you need one? What will you use it for?
If you want one, do you need the extra headroom the I-Tent vestibule provides because it uses another pole?
The I-Tent has an optional vestibule, which would make it about as heavy as your Tempest.
Tempest 6 lbs 4 oz, I-Tent w/Vestibule 6 lbs 1 oz.
The I-Tent with a vestibule is not much lighter.
The I-Tent without a vestibule is much lighter.
The I-Tent vestibule is much roomier because of the headroom.
The I-Tent is stronger because of the seam taping, but the Tempest makes up for it with twice the poles.
They both have two vents on top, but the I-Tent vents right into the tent, where the Tempest vents into a vestibule which then must vent into the tent.
A very big decision for me was the Fire Retardant (FR) treatment. This treatment makes the tent heavier and less breathable. Canada and 7 US states require it. Integral Designs does not do this on any of their tents, and Bibler makes theirs with or without the treatment (check the small white tag by the door and see if the model number ends with "FR" to find out). Marmot Bellevue orders their Biblers without FR, where the Marmot Berkeley orders theirs with FR because it's required by CA law. On a side note, don't bother asking ProMountain Sports about any of this, because like many things I've talked to them about, they have no information or inaccurate information.
Other decisions you need to make are things like:
- what color do you want?
- do you want the door mesh on the inside or the outside?
- do you want the door to roll down or tie off sideways?
- do you want a heavy floor or carry a groundsheet or neither?
- do you want the pole retainers to be clips or velcro?
- do you want sleeve vents or top triangle vents?
- are you happy with a short door (like the MK1 Lite)?
Climbers like doors on the ends for ridgeline use, and prefer the mesh on the inside so it doesn't collect ice, but hikers want the mesh on the outside so they can adjust the heavy door fabric without letting in mosquitoes.
Oh, and the Black Diamond weights are not very helpful, because they don't give a with/without FR weight, and because "packaged" includes even the syringe and tube of seamgrip. I went to Marmot and actually weighed the tents myself.
Hope all this helps. I would also consider the Black Diamond tents made with Epic fabric. I did an extensive amount of research and review-reading and talking with people, and I'm convinced it will be waterproof in heavy rain for at least two days. After that it may start to fail. This assumes you did a good job seam sealing the tent. But the Epic tents are basically the same (I-Tent becomes the FirstLight and the Ahwahnee becomes the Lighthouse). I like the HiLight because it's almost the same weight as the OneShot, but nearly twice the size, plus there's a vestibule option, although the side doors make it more of a hikers tent and less for climbing.
Here's some links to do your own reading if you choose.
http://www.bdel.com/gear/tents_overview.php
http://www.bdel.com/gear/tempest.php
http://www.bdel.com/gear/detail/tempest_detail.php
http://www.bdel.com/gear/i-tent.php
http://www.bdel.com/gear/detail/i-tent_detail.php
http://www.bdel.com/gear/eldorado.php
http://www.bdel.com/gear/detail/eldorado_detail.php
http://www.bdel.com/gear/firstlight.php
http://www.bdel.com/gear/detail/firstlight_detail.php
http://www.bdel.com/gear/hilight.php
http://www.bdel.com/gear/detail/hilight_detail.php
http://integraldesigns.com/product.cfm?id=7&CFID=8742553&CFTOKEN=98144808&mainproducttypeid=5
That should be enough for you to make an informed decision.
Later.
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I sent a PM two weeks ago, and just heard back a couple days ago, agreed to buy it, and sent PayPal money. It's supposed to be shipped Monday, but I'll report here if I haven't gotten it by mid-week (it's shipping from Portland to Seattle).
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What size are they?
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Email sent on the Ethereal FTX (PM would not work for some reason).
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