gotterdamerung

Bah! I was out in the middle of BFE in the MFk area yesterday afternoon. It was an incredible show, and was going on all around us, big multi-pronged bolts and some of the loudest thunder I've ever heard....and at no time did either me or my partner feel that we were going to get hit. We just sat on a big old foam pad in a slight depression and watched the awesome forces of nature. It was quite a sight. Kinda glad to not be up high on some hill or rock or whatever though. Did you guys do it?

I grew up in Colorado and consider myself a 'native' of that state. I can remember when all the transplants from Texas, New York, and California started moving in. Fucking jerkoffs the lot of them. They bring the skank from their own home states and violate the air in which true Coloradoans lived and breathed since day one. I should have started singling kids out from other states for ritual ass kickings, but I had bigger fish to fry back then. As far as Fairweather playing his "I'm a native Washingtonian card", well fucking good for him. I shit on New Jersey (my best climbing partner is from there BTW) and anyone from a flatlander state who moves here and thinks they know shit about shit. Other than that I have no idea what this thread is about.

Phil, try not to get everyone so freaked out next time OK? Every person I saw in the mountains today was convinced they were going to get struck by this afternoons storm.

Crass politics Passed in the house. Will probably pass in the senate.

I read it somewhere today. All 6 democrats in Washington voted no usage in National Parks, 2 republicans voted for, and 2 republicans abstained from voting. I'm with the dems on this one. I'll see if I can find the link.

Truly a legendary figure, and a visionary leader. Col. Nick Rowe was assassinated in the PI by suspected communist insurgents on April 22nd 1989 in Quezon City. There is an obstacle course on Camp McCall named after him and it was his initiative that allowed the US Army SERE course to be brought to fruition. One of the telling testimonies to the effectiveness of this training course was when CW3 Michael Durant was shot down in Mogadishu and survived several weeks in captivity. He credited the course and Nick Rowe's vision for saving his life and easing his suffering. Yet another American murdered while others sit idly by and live off the fat of freedom. Here's what some of our former American citizens did to Nick while he was in captivity. He had been able to fool the Vietnamese for years about his background in the service making them believe he was a draftee pawn until... "Rowe's cover story was eventually broken but not through any fault of his own. All his efforts were destroyed when an Anti-War Activist Group came to North Vietnam. As part of their visit to North Vietnam, the group asked to see some of the American POW's so they could tell the American people that POWs were being treated fairly by the North Vietnamese government. Rowe's name was on the list that they gave their hosts along with the information that he was the intelligence officer for the Special Forces Advisor Unit. Rowe's captors were furious that Rowe had fooled them all this time. Even worse was they knew that the valuable information he had at the time of his capture was dated and virtually worthless to them now. Rowe's captors beat him for hours then stripped him and staked him out naked in a swamp. Now if you have ever had a mosquito bite you you know how much it hurts and itches. That night Rowe's body was covered with a blanket of mosquitoes that feasted on him for two days. Despite his captors best efforts to torture him, Rowe still would not break to their will or give them the old dated information."

Get back to us on that one will ya? We may be able to seal the deal since the assclown congress just let every 'biler in the world into Teton and Yellowstone.

I'd like to get in on some of that myself. Was that in Kuwait? I have to say that those folks over there don't have a well developed sense of self preservation on the roadways. The highways in Kuwait are literally littered with smashed up vehicles because everyone drives like a maniac. No one cares though because they'll just go out the next day and buy a new vehicle rather than waste the time to get a tow truck and fix the broken down one. Pathetic culture. I've felt more stress driving in Kuwait than in Iraq, Jordan, Qatar combined.

I've heard that the author Eric Haney was ostricized by the community for the book and that some things were still regarded as sensitive. All the operators I've ever met are amazingly reticent about ANYTHING they have done to include the selection and training process. He's one of those guys that was either liked or loved depending on who knows him. I haven't heard anyone discounting his story of the operations involved and I personally liked the book myself. A former SEAL operator named Richard Marcinko was roundly criticized when he began writing SEAL operations down on paper, and he still hasn't lived it down to this day. But he has his incredibly loyal crew who can't say a bad thing about him either. My ex wife worked with his daughter and she said she couldn't stand the guy. All those years of the POW MIA issue and someone finally came out and just said what we knew all along. P.O.W.'s were left behind because we refused reparations to North Vietnam. Makes me sick.

The bad thing is that even if we were able to use different energy sources that we would leave millions of Arab draft age males unemployed and really pissed off with nothing else to do. In those regards we've seen what happens in Africa when this situation is allowed to fester. You'll have 12 years olds toting AK's before too long. Seems like we better just deal with them the way they understand and that is to systematically exterminate every roach out there claiming to oppose the US while building stronger relations with countries that actually have something offer. Bringing economics closer to this side of the pond is making more sense all the time. At least we have an ocean barrier and a population that wouldn't tolerate foreign aggression on our own soil (for the most part anyway).

Paul Johnson was beheaded today. Part of a larger escalation of the war by Al Qaeda cells. There's a good organization you can join to combat this type of murder of Americans. It's called 1stSFOD-D. Some type A's on this board with excellent fitness, mental and emotional aptitude, superior cross country navigational skills, and prior or current affiliation with the military may qualify. If you are a navy man then DevGroup would apply to you, however I have heard of crossovers from other branches into both. ----------------------------------------------------------- The U.S. Army's 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta (1stSFOD-D) plans and conducts a broad range of special operations across the operational continuum. Delta is organized for the conduct of missions requiring rapid response with surgical applications of a wide variety of unique skills,while maintaining the lowest possible profile of U.S. involvement. Assignment to 1st SFOD-D involves an extensive prescreening process,successful completion of a 3 to 4 week mentally and physically demanding Assessment and Selection Course, and a 6 month operator Training Course. Upon successful completion of these courses operators are assigned to an operational position within the unit.

You're right about the armored tractor guy. What an exit strategy. Vive' Colorado!

Have never once explored that part of Whistler to be honest with you. I doubt it compares to Vegas or LA anyway. What about Canmore/Banff and the Rockies can we take those too?

MarySpew posts there. GrossMeOut

Canadian women are fine. And easy. That's the sole reason we like Canada. Oh, and Whistler and the entire Canadian Rockies.

CanadianChick looks good:

Absolutely zero chance of violence, name calling, or loud voices. Curious to meet this person who seems to know me so well even though I've never even seen him in person.

Ummmm Beck, I've explained in great detail previously my belief that the war was strategic. I am not patriotic I am pragmatic. Also, I am tired of you taking me on with a personal bent. I'll see you at pubclub this coming Tuesday. I am coming just for you so be there. Or you can just name a place instead.

Hey Stonehead, I think it's good to be aware of history, but I wonder at your use of words such as 'underhanded' when referring to a deal that freed Americans who had been held captive for over a year in conditions far worse than Abu Ghraib. I also wonder at your logic of questioning that we trained UBL at a time when destroying communism was a higher priority. Very few members of the Muslim community raised any flags whatsoever about arming and training Muslim expatriates to fight in Afghanistan. They welcomed the chance to fight. I think it says alot that you would seemingly side with the interests of a foreign entities over the freedoms of your own fellow countrymen. This kind of attitude gets right to the base of the problems of the liberal cause. You espouse the culture of 'victimhood' while waving the flag of cultural intervention. You are allowed these freedoms vis a vis the luxury of domestic peace and prosperity. It is a theme I am often coming up against in liberal middle class American. The elite of the left are very rarely realitistic about foreign policy and have done much to sell this country out. Many liberals are empowered to speak, but unable to act. Logic flawed by years of a drop out liberal education turns round and round in circles upon itself. Those that cannot do teach and the best and brightest minds DO NOT end up in the university system. Rather it is the mindless sheep that sally forth to preach the new liberalism. Those that get caught up in it have not become empowered thinkers, merely the ruptured synapse of a neuron that misfired in the 60's. Your altruism is confined to small venues where a sympathetic ear may fall prey to a wishful version of the truth. It is your isolationism that feeds your pan-humanistic altruism. But what happens when the Barbarians come knocking at your gate like they did on the gates of Constantinople? Where will your high humanistic ideals go then? Will you stand up and fight or loudly proclaim that it was Reagan and Bush who decreed your demise? Will you still look inwardly for answers or will you finally realize that there is a threat out there? A threat that will not stop with the Twin Towers, or the Khobar Towers, or in Iraq, or Saudi Arabia. Goodwill often leads to disasterous results while Iron Will on our part will lead to the elimination of the threat. "Three thousand years have not changed the human condition, we are all still lovers and victims of the will to violence..." -Bernard Knox

"Any discussion of the new century, however, must begin with the old one." -Robert Kaplan

Actually I was referring to the 2nd Punic War in which Hannibal took advantage of a weakened and tired Roman Senate and seized Spain. There was a period of appeasement during which Hannibal crossed the Alps and bore down on Italy. 10's of thousands of Roman soldiers were killed at Cannae. Rome refused to sue for peace and simply fought on. The point was that they waited too long to act and were too weak in their initial responses and thousands of Roman citizens died as a result.

Have you ever seen that thing that is like pedalling a bike using only your arms? Try using that thing. You'll get smoked.

I'll burn some incense for you brah.

If you read ancient history there has been a series of wars created for many of the same reasons as the one we are in that were far more devastating. The Romans were almost decimated by the Punic wars becuase they were so freaking liberal they didn't fight back until 2/3rds of their country was in flames. I would prefer not to see that happen to us.

Bring it tweak