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Yeah, I guess I am talking more about the video of the 507th Maintenance crew than other times, for sure. They were not reading forced confessions or renouncing the west, ya know? It was none the less demeaning and we all got pretty worked up over it. Even our "objective" journalists were saying "How dare they!". The saddam video is demeaning in its own subtle way, as well... ex.- they do a lice check and show him completely grubby and unclean. If that was our president then we would be going fucking apeshit, I'm sure. I don't know, I really could care less if they dressed him in a monkey suit for the video but it's just interesting how people react to similar things so differently.
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First, I could give a shit that the US put the video of out Saddam H. for the world to see after he was taken as a prisoner of war. I think it will save lives of our guys over the long haul by showing proof that he is out of action.
Now, with that said, I think it is a pretty funny double standard that we had a frickin' cow as a nation when the enemy showed pretty much the same thing of our POW's. Yet when it is the enemy on TV then it is perfectly fine and nobody says a thing about it?
Honestly, am I missing something? Is there a difference ? I could care less about violating that fucks rights but I just find the idea... interesting?
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trask said:
wasn't directed at you, griz
at ML
like she said, I'm entitled to my opinion
Sure thing, we all are. If I could delete the post I would but the time has run out for editing. Excuse the misunderstanding on my part...
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trask said:
frickin snake
fuck you
Blow me, trask, if that was directed at me. I don't believe everything the goverment tells me either but this is a case where I do. Did you buy that crap they dished out about Jessica Lynch fighting to the last bullet? I didn't...sounded like ww II propaganda bs to me from the get go.
Or what... you are going take on the us marines with a six shooter while in a hole?
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Maryloo,
If you think this through and look at it this way perhaps you will see why everyone else thinks your views on this are out there...
If this proves to be a hoax and a lie to the world straight from the president's mouth to the world then he'll be up in front of congress looking at getting impeached and he sure as hell won't be getting re-elected. It would end him and his administration in a heart beat. This isn't something they could lie about and get away with over the long haul.
Don't think he would cower in bunker? If you had a burgular or someone hunting you in your house and had a hiding place wouldn't you go there? It strikes me as the most likely place for a person to be found... not the least likely, as you say.
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Mtguide said:
Guys,guys!!!!!Mary Lou has a right to her opinions and a right to express them,regardless of what they may be.That right is an absolutely essential part of what our nation is all about,and I heard it said by a recently retired general on the news this morning ,that he thought there was not a single soldier on duty right now in Iraq or Afghanistan who doesn't consider the right to freedom of speech,and the other freedoms granted in the Bill of Rights, to be a basic reason that they're over there doing what they're doing, for many of them a very important reason as to why they are even IN the military.
And likewise,you guys,Griz,Trask,etc.,have that same right-to say what you want to say,however you want to say it.But it's worth considering that when that verges on just trying bash someone down in anger,intolerance,invective, and hatred,we begin to lose sight of the fact that the country works best when we honor each other as fellow citizens and fellow countrymen,and that the idea and vision of what America is,is still a work in progress,and that work and vision will keep us vital and strong and free only so long as it continues to grow in respect and tolerance for the freedom to dissent and to think critically.Dissent is critical to the maintenance of freedom;without it,tyrants such as Saddam have free reign.People like Saddam come to power when no has the guts to say,"Wait a minute,I don't know if I like what I see going on here",or even just "WHAT'S going on here?".Dissent is,if anything,MORE patriotic than continual and uncritical,unthinking acceptance and parroting of the majority line of thought,because it is an effort on the part of true patriots to help the ship of state correct its course and avoid the rocks and shoals of blind obedience or uncaring laziness and cynicism,greed for power,and corruption that all governments,nations and people are subject to.The next time you feel your anger rise in your chest and feel like smashing someone you disagree with,try(try) to remember Edmund Burke,one of the framers of the Constitution,who said,"I may disagree with what you say; but I will defend to the death your right to say it." We are all in this together,living in the midst of a huge,messy,imperfect,corrupt,hopelessly fucked up and yet at the same time,wonderful,amazing,beautiful and immensely successful and miraculous social experiment which has given and created more freedom ,diversity,and outrageous opportunity to more people than any other country in the history of the world.It's a great and roaring river,man; carrying us all along on a deep and thundering tide of energy and thought and spirit for one hell of a ride.Try to tie that down with the fear and rigidity of anger and hatred and you just muddy the flow; even the rocks eventually get worn away, because the river knows how to use the very stones to grind them down.
In India,the common greeting is "Shanti",which simply means,"I salute the light within you." It's a recognition of the fact that,regardless of belief or language or race,we're all of the same dust,that we're all here by the grace of a Power or powers beyond us,and that to live and survive takes will,strength and spirit,and that that effort and love and committment is worthy of respect,no matter how poorly or imperfectly it may be accomplished.
Quite a few years ago,I was a working cowboy on a sizeable cow outfit near Jordan,Montana.We all had about 10 horses in our personal string,and I had one big old ex-rodeo bucking horse named Hippo.They called him that because he was big(1400 lbs.plus),gray,and a yawner.He also was known to bawl like a grizzly bear when he bucked;when I arrived on the outfit and he was turned into my string,all the other guys told me me to watch him like a hawk or he'd be sure to buck my ass clear to Calgary and paw the moon down doing it.In the eight months I worked there,I never had so much as a crow hop out of Hippo;we got along fine.My last day on the outfit dawned clear,bright and very crisp and cold,the first hard frost of the season.We saddled up in the dawn light,with the steam pouring out of the horses' nostrils and the frost glinting on the ground.Weather like this will make cowhorses frisky,and we had a few little bucking horse shows as everyone got the kinks busted out;my mount for the day just happened to be Hippo.As I cinched him up,I thought for sure he'd be humping up and ready to do some cloudwalking,but he never gave a rustle.Until I hit the saddle,that is.No sooner had I gathered the reins and gained the off stirrup,when Hippo bogged his head with a savage jerk to one side,let out a bellow like a grizzly and cougar combined and launched us into the sky.I took a deep seat,held on to my hat and got ready for all hell on the hurricane deck as Hippo reached the crest of his giant arc,swept his massive front hooves along the sides of his head trying to paw off the entire headstall,and played a tune on my spurs with his hind feet,trying to kick my feet out of the stirrups.And now the ground,frozen hard as iron,was coming up fast,and I got set for the jarring,driving shock that would crunch my spine double and chip my teeth as I cracked my chin on the saddlehorn when Hippo came down with all four feet in a spot about the size of a dinner plate and launched off again....except that he didn't.Because Hippo,damn his sarcastic soul,landed like a ballerina's creampuff dream,threw his head up at just the right angle to watch a cow,and lit into a high reaching mile-eating trot that brought me up right beside the cowboss and the segundo.We were all laughing like hell and you could see old Hippo was mighty pleased with himself;and the cowboss looked over at me with a big grin on his face and said,"It's a great life,ain't it,cowboy?".
It takes all kinds,boys; relax; enjoy the ride; don't forget to laugh---and let 'er buck!
Mtn Guide, could you send me the cliff note version of that post. A pm is fine. Thanks. What's with the hippo...?i was skimming by that point...
Also, I cut this from the general discussion page:
"Spray
If it's not climbing related this is where you post it. Here you'll find topics on just about anything and once in a while some good intelligent conversation. Be warned this forum is not for the thin skinned. "
MTN Guide and Maryloo...Please read the LAST SENTENCE...
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They have had him longer than 12 hours. Sounds like 2 days considering they kept it under wraps for a day. I'm not an expert on DNA, how long does it take to complete a test?
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Marylooloo,
How about we put you over in Iraq, put a $25,000,000 bounty on your head, set you up w/ a internet account so everyone will inevitably despise you and want to turn you in , then have the most powerful nation in the world hunt you day in and out for 8 months and see what you look like and where you finally end up? Sound good? I'm sure we could take up a collection to get a plane ticket for you. Sounds like Will is in...
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cj001f said:
It's not necessarily surprising that he'd be found like a rat - look at the capture of the Nazis - few fought to the death.
I am curious what proof they have that the person they found is Saddam - after all this is a paranoid psyhcopath with tens of body doubles who hasn't been seen in public in years.
I heard they have already done DNA testing on him. Positive, of course.
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Maryloo,Good god, so just because YOU think he should have fought or killed himself everyone else is wrong and it all should be under suspicion? Though you know NOTHING of what has gone on in his life for the last 8 months? Get over your brilliance it is really quite dull in reality.
So what is your great theory?That we caught him months ago and made him grow a beard to his chest and didn't give him a shower for that time so we could make him look a little out of it?Don't you think w/ the election year coming up that Bush would want to put this feather in his cap ASAP to end the all doubters and take away some ammo from the democrats? You are a real bonehead if you think otherwise.
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marylou said:
There is a strangely "Wag the Dog" element to this story.
I suspect that we are not getting the whole story here. It's a little too perfect that the US military would find this guy hiding out in a hole, looking like a bum, and not putting up a fight.
I'm sure I'm going to get flamed to pieces for my remarks, but something just is not right.
Marylou, it doesn't surprise me a bit how they found him and that he gave in w/o a fight. He's a frickin' coward and couldn't trust anyone because he was so hated by most in the country. Why else would a person kill off any person that even slightly disagreed w/ him? Cuz he's afraid of them.
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Bear Spray?
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I think you have misunderstood my post because I am mostly talking about when the shit hits the fan, as well. The rest is about the "the gun will save me" mentality. You have two different views: the people who carry a gun for protection and as the solution and those who think "riding out the storm" is the better way to go(playing dead,ect) for ultimately surviving the situation. I think the gun gives you a false of security and increases your chances of getting hurt by the bear or even shooting yourself or someone else during the attack. With all due respect to your hunting friend, did his rifle help him much?Didn't sound like it but maybe it did... Most of the time it happens too quick to react to with a gun. As a hunter he is doing everything wrong to avoid bear encounters...he's moving quiet, probably moving downwind, ect. He has to assume responsiblity for the extra risk he's taking in griz territory. Did he struggle the whole time trying to shoot it(most likely extending the attack) or just play dead when it was on him(shortening the attack)? Or if a friend is getting mauled ,are you really going to risk shooting at the bear while your friend/loved one is being tossed around like a rag doll, perhaps getting flipped in the line of fire? Will you remember if your next shot is a slug or buckshot and fill your buddy/loved one w/ buckshot?Or that shooting bears pisses them off more and makes it worse?All I'm saying is that I think people are safer w/o a gun in those fucked up situtaions and by following the submisive/play dead idea. Lots of beta says that is the best way to survive and from everything I've seen,heard and researched...I agree.
Also, w/ your bud Ron's situation...most charges end in a bluff and they pull out within the last few feet especially if they are not being threatened by being shot or a person is still standing in aggressive position(instead of a fetal/dead position). Your friend had every right to shoot the bear,though.
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Bear Spray?
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I always get a kick out of hearing from the blast'em crowd on dealing w/ grizzly bear. Statistically, you are so much safer in a bear encounter w/o a gun. I bet that dead hiker's biggest mistake was shooting at the bear. 8-9 out of 10 charges are bluff charges and when he shot it ,his chances of getting what he got went up to nearly a sure thing because now the griz feels the pain, is more threatened and has to protect itself at close range. Grizzly bears are not the psycho beasts that hollywood creates them to be. I've been in numerous close encounters w/ gizzly bears up in AK (over 80-90)while fly fishing/hiking and never had a bad encounter. Some at less than 10 ft. and ,yes, the adrenaline is going, for sure but never anything threatening. If you make human noises, stand your ground when needed, back away when needed and don't tickle their fur with slugs from .44's then those are your best chances of coming out alive. More people get killed by the neighbor's pet dog than grizzly bears in AK BY FAR and you have a better chance of getting hit by lightning than mauled by a bear... keep that in mind, as well. Some Fish and Game people I hung out w/ said to drop a griz before it can get to you, you basically have to start shooting before it even moves toward you and even then if is not a perfect brain shot then it will still get to you. So, it's pretty much ridiculous because most of them will run so fast away from you or ignore you,if given the chance.
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Cpt.Caveman Milosevic said:
I could use a couple of extra bear
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New Jersery... the next Bosnia for bears...
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Hmmm... and New Jersey used to be such a nice place to visit for my type... Another fine neighborhood gone to hell...
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Yeah, I've known people to get back out there before the cast comes off. He might be able to also when the pain goes away and it mends abit...I guess it depends what the doc says.When I was a young little twit skate rat, my best bud broke his leg on the halfpipe but he was able to get out and screw around abit in a leg cast. He skated w/ his crutches,believe it or not. Good luck!
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chucK said
I'm having trouble seeing what the issue is here. How is the fact that people have chosen to keep themselves shielded impinging upon you in any way?
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yeah, it kind of resembles most amateur snowboarding halfpipe competitions,too...
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Don't forget to shake globe REALLY hard for the best and most twisted results... too frickin' funny...
Season's Greetings...!!! -
Alpine K, yeah, I hear ya but I've never pulled a Doug Scott beyond a crampon point in my calf so I'm seeing what else might apply...
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AlpineK said:
You guys are wimps. I can easily think of 3 injuries I've had that qualify without a doubt.
Whatever, dude. The guy needs to define what he considers an injury better. Every climber gets his hands/knees chewed up with minor cuts and I'm trying figure out if he cares about that crap or not. I don't... but he might.
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yeah, left/right scrolling blows.The fixed area on the left on the homepage takes up too much space. Lose the frame idea as it takes up more valuable screen space for information/pics. I'd make it all part of one page. Your orange box for typing in a search is kind of vague/ugly... i thought it was decoration not a place to type. Nice idea, I'll check it out more later.