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I support your comment about not revealing much info when you talk with the intern, but don't even come out and say you have a pass, I basically let him as all the questions and gave answers. I tried not to supply any info until we agreed on a case dismissal, and then I asked all kinds of process questions....

thanks for the info and keep it coming... more than a few of us will be interested in this plan failing. the spur is one of the prettiest lines ive ever seen on a mountain...

thanks for all the info posted here, im finding it quite helpful. as previously mentioned, i am the lucky recipient of a $50 ticket from parking in the teanaway... i had planned to ignore it. early this month i recieved a notice to appear in court in yakima at the end of the month, and was instructed to phone the spokane office intern, which i did this morning. i followed a similar tactic as was listed a few posts ahead of this one. i tried not to reveal much information and was pretty vague. he eventually said that if i did have a pass now, all i had to do was fax it and a copy of my notice to appear to him and he would dismiss it. i pointed out that there was no info on the NWFP indicating i was the proper owner of the pass, and he didnt seem to know what to do about that, and didnt really care. it sure seemed to me if you had any old (annual) pass laying around, all you had to do was fax it to him. further, his court office had not recieved any information yet suggesting they were going to meet me in court upon my scheduled hearing. apparetnly their office doesnt get the paperwork until 1.5 weeks ahead of the hearing.... (which we are quite near) additionally, I asked him a lot of questions on the phone and he did say there is no connection between this ticket and the DMV. after much thinking about this, ive gone back and forth thinking about the merits and demerits of such a program. im still not sure where i stand on the issue. after my citation i did purchase an annual pass. i feel a little bit like i let myself get beat into submission, but in my case there are some real conflicts of interest both in school and work. i cant say i agree 100% with the program and do support the idea of protesting and writing congress, etc. for now, though, the most important thing for me was keeping myself out of hot water at work and school.

we just got back from this hike this past weekend... we approached via the mtn yuron trail and just walked along the north ridge. we got a bit distracted by the indication of the pacific crest (the actual crest, not the PCT) on our map and later realized we would have had more sucess via another ridge a bit more to the NW. we hiked ourselves into a corner a few hundred feet shy of the summit, under some typical oregon cascade shit rock... great hike though. diamond peak wilderness seemed like a secret tucked away off the main roads.... anyway, we definetly had an appreciation for how this could be a better "climb" during the winter with skis.

This one too: Of 12 variables studied, health, facilities, socioeconomic standing, and other personal factors: personal safety is the primary reason, which inhibits African Americans’ participation in outdoor recreation. Rural residence does not appear to be an important factor among either participants or nonparticipants … http://www.srs.fs.fed.us/pubs/viewpub.jsp?index=3050

According to one study: 1) African Americans showed a stronger preference for meeting people rather than avoiding social interaction. 2) African Americans preference for developed settings and White preference for more natural areas. 3) A more heightened concern among African Americans for safety in recreation settings. 4) Whites tend to participate more in non-consumptive activities http://www.srs.fs.fed.us/pubs/viewpub.jsp?index=1369

I'm having a hard time following some of the gross generalities in this thread. Blacks don't have as much money and they live in urban areas. Um,...it doesn't look to me like many of you who have posted are living out in the sticks (given a lot of you are in the Seattle area), nor do I get the impression that everyone is making a lot of $$ (the post last week about how to get a job.) I just asked my buddy what he thought (he's black) and he just sort of laughed and said it just wasn't his thing, he's not into thrilling sports. He didn't go into any great detail about not wanting to return to his ancestors old haunts or talk of confederate flags... Really... I like Dru's perspective, it's humble and real.

I'm a bit late in this thread, but followed it with interest. I, like many of you, got the $50 ticket in the Teanaway... I was in a quandry of how to handle it, ignore it, pay it, write a letter, plead not guilty, hope they take me to court, etc... I am still not sure how I feel about it and haven't done anything with it yet. I asked around and was given the following weblinks. They are pretty interesting. http://www.wildwilderness.org/docs/tips.htm http://www.antifee.bizhosting.com/ http://www.wildwilderness.org/docs/siart.htm http://tom-morrow-land.com/feedemocase.html http://www.wildwilderness.org/docs/yost.htm

forrest's comment on the tasty bites was right on! they are great, very tasty (spicy)... we usually boil the water, pour some over couscous in a different bowl, and while that is cooking, dump the tasty bite package in the water... its all usually finished about 5 minutes after the water boils. trader jos carries them, as does some fred meyer stores. forrest: thanks for the other great ideas.

congratulations. sounds like a neat experience. that very sleepy feeling that you described--wanting very badly to lay down and go to sleep--is an altitiude symptom that i have experienced quite a few times... i understand what you mean about being 3rd, thats usually me, and i too have been grateful for the good mtneering partners i have had that are supportive of slow but steadiness.

nevermind. i misread your post and my reply was intended for the n. ridge... have fun!

It's a pretty straight forward route. Having said that, I have gotten off route there before, but I think that was more a function of my choosing the route by trying to remember the it from past trips, rather than by reading the terrain. I think the most important thing to remember is to stay on top of the ridge and follow it along to the spire. It's a fun climb. But as folks posted last month or so, there is a lot of loose rock, so watch yourself while descending the scree field as people higher are likely to send stuff down your direction.

Alien, For just over 100 years the topic of how to manage forests in this country has been hotly debated. I am not going to dive too far into your thoughts, as your mind is already made up... However, your threads were remarkably ignorant I had to say something. You are right, there are big differences in public and private forestry.... Weyerhauser may be a good COMPANY, and they do need to protect their INVESTMENT. It is a business, like all others, whose objective is to make a profit. While I am not opposed to recycling programs and other "green" incentives, I am not misled in thinking that these programs necessarily reflect good environmental stewardship. They a however, good business practices. I am not 100% happy with management of federal lands either, but your limited arguement in favor of private forestry just seems weak. It is a political nightmare to manage forests these days. (BTW, there are loads of regs that apply to federal lands too--at the very least, the NWFP marks one of the first/recent good efforts at using ecosystem science as a management directive. And while there are still limitations to this plan, it's progress in the right direction...AND it was drafted by scientists who worked for the govt AND Weyerhauser and other organizations.) But c'mon, Weyerhauser has a recyclying program??? McDonalds has a recycling program. It's called McRecycle, but does this qualify McDonalds as a good thing?? At the very least it helps their image, but I wouldn't call them environmental stewards for including this in their advertising campaign. (http://grn.com/library/position.htm) Anyway, without sounding too idealistic, I'd like to think there are still good people working in science and management (on federal and private lands.) You don't contribute to solutions if you just sit around in apathy and bitch at everyone else...

Originally posted by greghinemeyer: but his daughters are smokin. they probably don't get into as much trouble smokin as they did drinkin last year.

"...Also a big reason 80% of the timber is coming from private land is because of the land that is allowed to be logged, 72% of that is privatley owned. Again, Weyerhaeuser, is good they have a recycle company and work hard to develop land. Also private companies have to follow rules and regulations. Yet nobody can hold the government responsible. They can blame us. Use our money to fix problems..." Alien, are you teaching Beavis and Butthead forestry 101?! Gimme a break..