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take your ad hominem attack to spray.
Uh Oh, what to do now Eric, this one has TR's!
The "name" thing's still an issue maybe tho...
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And he's the god father to my step dog to boot.
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None of that has anything to do with my points
Without knowing who you are you have no point because who the point is coming from has everything to do with perspective.
I don't know if you work for the NPS or you're a 14 year old girl from the Philippines.
And yes I have made some personal attacks here however I state my name right after them. I'm not cowering like a total pussy behind my screen name. I climb in this town and many climbers here know me, they see my actual face in trip reports and at the base of cliffs. I walk straight into the wilderness permit building at the NCNP and they know who I am.
If you'd like to be part of the conversation let us know who you are, then I'll address your points.
Unless you're a wanted felon or don't believe in what you're saying, sign your name 1MC.
I would think that a little math looking at my posts which go back to 2001 would point to the unlikeliness of me being a 14 year old girl. And I think that my English is good enough that it could be assumed that I grew up in the USA.
None of the rest matters.
You have asked why I am hesitant about the NPS expanding, and I answered you in about two sentences.
Your reasons are accusatory and somewhat specious. It would be nice if your reasons were more cogent.
I don't get the chest puffery against me, Wickwire or Roskelly.
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None of that has anything to do with my points that it is unfair for your to hysterically attack Jim Wickwire and John Roskelly for voicing their opinion. This is America you know.
You then attack the AAC for things that they are not involved in.
You then attack the Mountaineers based solely on their involvement several years ago, and on the stance or their Conservation committee.
And you attack the the NPS based on this old Mission 66 model that is decades in the past and is no longer a realistic concern.
So instead of addressing any of this, you demand a trip report and CV from me. I suggest instead that you calmly look at the issues of expanding NOCA and pare your concerns down to reasonable ones likely to garner support, and not running around like a chicken with its head cut off.
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I couldn't agree with you more that Mr. Roskelley and Mr. Wickwire are some of Americas most respected, accomplished and celebrated Alpinists. It's obvious why the AAC would listen to them.
However, I don't believe that one's climbing resume or accomplishments make any Americans opinion on Federal Land Conservation more important than any other Americans opinion. And it's because those two are such respected and storied climbers that the AALP proposal feels like a betrayal.
You need to get a grasp on reality. While I don't agree with Jim Wickwire and John Roskelly, they are welcome to have their own opinion on NOCA without me crying about a gross betrayal. They obviously feel the the North Cascades warrant this extra protection, and that the increased bureaucracy is a worthy price to pay.
So far in this thread you've accused the NPS of trying to reinvigorate Agenda 66, sell the place off to the concessioners, and lock up Liberty Bell.
Some of your claims are mutually impossible.
You also seem to forget that there are places that the NPS has bent over backwards to accommodate climbers, chief among these is Yosemite. All other back country users need overnight wilderness permits for camping, this is not enforced on the big wall climbers what so ever. Bolts are allowed to be placed by community rules, and even fixed rope shit shows by Chongo, the late Dan Osmand ,Dean Potter and slack liners are allowed.
Your shotgun approach is just plain stupid and hysterical
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Buck,
You brought this upon yourself by not throwing the cam as far as you could over your shoulder.
Everyone else comes off as a douche bag, because they are
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They're still pissing their pants in Mountlake Terrace
WHISKY TANGO FOXTROT OVER!!!!!!
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That eerie feeling when I find out that my buddy and I bivied on a ledge that no longer exists...
Sound like the NPS needs to talk to you about what you did
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Thin skinned lib tard admin. What a sad little man who bans the use of words he doesn't like. Thanks for the demonstration/confirmation of libthink: "Faggotty," "Republicunt," "Conservatatard," and, of course, "*" are all a-ok
here--as long as a bona-fide cc.com liberal is the user. "Lib*tard", however, is offensive and must be banned. 
Lib-tard is an exceedingly boring term, and I get tired of it. But I have seen the "n" word used by several posters, and when I brought this up to the mods and admin, I was told it is best that I contact the offender poster myself by PM. I know for a fact that they then complained and gossiped about me and my grumbling about the use of racially offensive terms on CC, but left it at that. The issue was me, not the offending posters.
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What's the return policy?
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Nice job, you dodged the tyranny of the masses corner.
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That's unfortunate. I certainly don't get that upset over the issue but I can't see how this is a good use of tax dollars. It has cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to implement, and meant many heli trips into the wilderness. This money could be much better spent on trail work, but I admit I'm biased.
I could be wrong, but I would think that vast majority of park users would be just fine letting the stocking and fishing continue. And it would be way cheaper.
I have to admit that I think the high lake fish eradication program is borderline insanity. I have a hard time understanding the rationale. Of course, I'm a fish biologist and a life long fisherman!
The fact that the majority of the users "feel" that stocking should continue shouldn't be part of the equation.
I have a minimal opinion on stocking, but after reading on NWH why stocking should be discontinued, I appreciate those reasons.
A salander may think you're not a nice person
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I think the whole situation typifies the NPS attitude towards recreation in the park. I get the sense that they feel human influence must be minimized or eliminated to the maximum extent possible.
That is sometimes my feeling
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There were extensive discussions at NWHikers regarding this very subject and the NOCO expansion several years ago. NWHikers is very pro- stocking, and the admin and his clique are members of the Trailblazers and such.
Me personally, I would not in anyway base my gross opinion on NOCO expansion on high lakes stocking, but to each his own. There are persuasive arguments of how stocking these formerly barren lakes which are often bereft of food is not a good thing. What I mainly took away from the conversation was that the pro-stockers were a bunch of Branch Davidian-Amway freaks.
The very same Sandy McKean referenced in your link sent me a series of PM's, about the subject, finally accusing me of being the type that would support Osama bin Laden over the USA.
All because of milk jugs of fish.
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Ah, those remind me of the halcyon days of the Carter Admin
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It's time for a retrospective of this important piece of alpine history, and how it changed e-climbing forever.
Here's a story I just published in Trask's blog over on Ascentionist. I hope they like it.Once upon a time there was an animal shelter. In the animal shelter there were all sorts of animals. This story is about 2 big rottweilers and a little male toy poodle. The rottweilers’ names were Gunter and Rorry and the little male toy poodle was called Princess.
Gunter and Rorry were friends from way back. They both used to work as prison guard dogs, but sadly due to some bleeding heart liberal politicians the prison was closed and Gunter and Rorry both got sent to the animal shelter. Unfortunately the animal shelter didn’t have all the excitement that a prison guard dog is used to, so Gunter and Rorry had to come up with fun things to do.
The first thing they did was start chasing all the cats at the shelter. That was fun for a while, but soon all the cats would hide whenever Gunter and Rorry came by and even if they did find one to chase it didn’t give them the same thrill it first did.
About that time Gunter and Rorry met this little toy poodle named Princess. Princess used to live with a nice old lady, but he just couldn’t stop humping the old lady’s leg, so she sent him to the shelter. At first either Gunter or Rorry would snarl at Princess, but despite that Princess kept following them around and eventually Gunter and Rorry let Princess hang out with them. Princess was a very excitable dog and whenever he’d get excited he’d end up pissing on the floor. All the other animals used chase Princess, but those days were over when he started hanging out with the 2 big rottweilers.
Now instead of chasing the cats and other animal Gunter and Rorry would send Princess ahead of them. Princess would start boasting loudly about how tough of a guard dog he had become and just as the other animals would start to chase him…Bam… Gunter and Rorry would jump out at the animals and start chasing and biting them. For you see Princess was acting as a decoy and all the time the other animals watched him the 2 big rottweilers were sneaking up behind them. This worked most of the time, but every once in a while Princess would get excited and start pissing on himself; when this happened Gunter and Rorry would be very angry and bite Princess. Princess would run away and whimper, but he’d always come back.
At first Gunter and Rorry would only attack the animals every once in a while, but soon they found themselves chasing and biting the other animals all the time. The two big dogs soon found other ways of entertaining themselves. They would sneak into the break room for the workers at the animal shelter and take a big dump. Also sometimes when the workers were feeding the animals the rottweilers would sneak up behind them and bite them on the ass. Princess would never do this; in fact sometimes when Gunter and Rorry weren’t around Princess would do tricks for the workers.
All this fun the big Rottweilers were having came to the attention of the animal shelter administrator. His workers used to come in and complain that the 2 big dogs had bit them and the neighbor’s of the shelter started complaining about all the noise coming from the shelter. Something had to be done.
This is what they did. One of the workers got some fencing and built a small kennel next to the shelter; then the other workers shot Gunter and Rorry with tranquilizer darts, and they moved them to the small kennel. When Gunter and Rorry came to they found themselves in a small kennel with a couple skunks and a badger. Sometimes they would try and mess with the badger, but he was pretty mean, and they soon found out that messing with the skunks wasn’t a good idea as I’m sure you’ve already guessed.
One of the walls of the kennel was a cyclone fence that looked in on the main shelter where Gunter and Rorry used to live. The two rottweilers would spend most of their time looking in on the main shelter looking for some of the cats and other animals they used to chase. Princess spent most of his time at the edge of the kennel talking to his two friends. Princess would run off sometimes and when he would come back he would tell Gunter and Rorry how he had been chasing cats. But the two rottweilers were suspicious, and sometimes when Princess would tell his stories he would start pissing and shaking.
Finally Gunter grew suspicious, and he told Princess that he didn’t think he was all that tough, and he never heard any noise from the main shelter when Princess claimed to be chasing animals. Gunter told Princess that if he ever wanted to be a big tough dog he would have to get himself put in the kennel just like he and Rorry were. He even told Princess that the two big dogs wouldn’t hang out with him unless he got put in the kennel.
Well Princess was scared, but eventually he screwed up the courage, and he ran into the administrator’s office. Princess jumped up on the administrator’s desk. His plan was to bite the administrator, but he got so nervous he started pissing right on some important papers the administrator was reading. The administrator picked Princess up by the ear and tossed him into the kennel with his 2 big friends.
Unfortunately things didn’t work out that well for Princess. Princess tried to chase the skunks, but they turned on him and chased him back to Gunter and Rorry and doused them all with skunk spray. When they could see again the two big dogs turned on Princess and ripped him to pieces. That was the end of Princess, but everything that happened in the kennel wasn’t sad. Rorry got adopted by a kindly, senile old man and went to live in an igloo in Alaska. The badger, who doesn’t figure into this story, got his own blog. Even Gunter didn’t stay in the Kennel forever. One day a man from a foreign country came and hired Gunter as a guard dog.
The moral of the story is
Things work out for everybody but the nervous little dog.
http://cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/465693/1
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Why am I not allowed to delete the post?
It's like the mafia, there's no leaving
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I find white trash knuckleheads (male of female) fighting way less entertaining then you I guess.
Says the guy who spends all day making friends in Spray
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You seem to have your mind made up that NOCA wants to Coney Island-ize what ever lands they can get from both the USFS and themselves in their National Recreation Areas. Don't you get it? The NPS already has most of this land under their control and "ownership" in the Lake Chelan and Ross Lake National Recreational Areas.
If anything, there have been complaints of the NPS squeezing business, concessions and run-of-the-mill tourism out in favor of preservation and wilderness with or without the capital W.
So I think you would best serve yourself to study the issue and realize this Mission 66 windmill you're tilting at probably doesn't exist, and frame your objections more reasonably.
I would think the cases of the MRNP West Side road, the Duckabush road and Enchanted Valley chalet on ONP and the Suitable road would serve as better examples of what the future may hold than what you see from the entrenched Delaware North in Yosemite.
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I would be most concerned about bureaucracy and the NPS mindset.
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This is the definitive map of the boundaries that have been in place since 1987. The USFS chooses to publish crappy and fuzzy maps instead of this clear work.
https://fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5428875.pdf
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While at Three O'Clock during the middle of a big fine weather window in 1990, saw a big ripper come off the very upper North Ridge of Exo
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Nice work dudes!
One was a dudette
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There are many reasons to be concerned about expanding NOCA, but I don't think your post hits any of them, and is wrong on several points.
1) Arches was established prior to Wilderness designation of it's undeveloped lands.
2) Most concerns about NOCA expansion revolve around more rules and less access, the opposite of what you fear.
3) The NPS is no longer following it's road and lodge building craze of Mission 66. It seems unlikely that the lands will be commoditized or "sold" if NOCA expands.
4) All of this seems to be independent of NP demographics, and in fact contrary to some of it.
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What does this have to do with cutting trees you don't own, without permission, from private property?
Cascade Designs treasure trove of Penberthy weird
in Climber's Board
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I remember bumping into old Larry, and his wars against REI and the NPS. Funny thing is that back then, MRNP could refuse to give you a permit for Rainier if they didn't like your ice axe, and the Mountaineers had (according to Larry) 400+ Basic students.
http://www.cascadedesigns.com/msr/blog/mountain-safety-research-newsletter-archives/