newclimber01 Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 I would guess not, but the way I tie my clove hitches causes the final knot to be mirrored from the normal version. I.e. the left strand goes under and the right strand goes over, rather than the right strand under, left strand over. I can post diagrams if people don't understand. Is this a problem? I can't see how it could? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemp22 Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 no, it shouldn't matter whether the cross is right-to-left or left-to right. but, it is recommended that if you're clove-hitching into a 'biner that the load-bearing exit strand is the one closest to the spine of the 'biner. just make sure you're doing that right, and you should be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spotly Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 ...it is recommended that if you're clove-hitching into a 'biner that the load-bearing exit strand is the one closest to the spine of the 'biner. ... I can see how this would be somewhat stronger because it keeps the load closer to the spine (similar to the reasons behind the design of a 'D'?). At a glance, it seems like a minimal reduction though; are you aware of any testing done on this? Also, is there some other reason as well? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hafilax Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 For an HMS biner the loading away from the basket might not be as big of a deal as compared to an asymmetric D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemp22 Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 Well, I didn't have a particular study in mind - just knew that I'd read that before in multiple places. But a quick google search turned up this test (which I hadn't seen before) that the AMGA had Blue Water Ropes perform on an HMS biner: Clove Hitch Link ... When the knot was tied incorrectly, with the load strand farthest away from the spine of the carabiner, it was found that the knot tried to align itself with the spine at 250 lbs., and carabiner failure occurred–before rope breakage–at approximately 38% below the carabiner's rated strength. (See link for a picture of what's considered incorrect load orientation) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hafilax Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 I stand corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spotly Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Thanks for the link. I'm more motivated to make sure I get the load strand in the correct spot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AR_Guy Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Great link Hemp. Nothing quite like hard data when there is a question like the OP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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