Ryan Spivey

Hello CC.com We're sales reps for a bunch of outdoor brands and will be having a sample sale at our Wallingford showroom. We rep for Marmot among other brands. Here's the particulars: -CASH ONLY!! -ALL SALES ARE FINAL!! -Samples are typically a size medium for men and women. They are samples though so there's some variation. Try it on! -The sale is open from 10 am until 8 pm on Tuesday October 6th and 10 am to 6 pm on Wednesday October 7th. -We're located at 2400 N 45 St. Seattle, WA 98103

Hello I'm a sales rep for Marmot in the Northwest and we had a break-in at our Seattle showroom last night. It could have been a lot worse but there is quite a bit of sample product missing. This product is all sized medium, some of which is new product that won't be out until next spring and some of which is current stuff. If you can just keep your eyes peeled for any fishy seeming Marmot stuff for sale and shoot me a message that would be great. Thanks, Ryan

DPS- That's a bit harsh. Each company you point out as not being well rated is EN tested for accuracy whereas neither Feathered Friends nor Western do this test. The EN test is basically the European Union's standardized test to determine a "rough" rating for a bags temp. While it's not perfect it is much more accurate than what the industry used to do which is rate a bag based on how many inches of loft it had or just estimate based on feedback which isn't super reliable. Too many variables with feedback. The test isn't cheap and for a small brand like FF or Western to pay the expense would be painful considering they don't sell bags in Europe and thus don't need to do the test. I don't mention it to say either brand makes a poorly rated bag. Everybody seems to love their stuff. I only mention it because calling those other brands out is misleading and inaccurate.

188 cm Black Diamond Megawatts- drilled for Dynafit FT-12s. These are the second generation MW, blue with white and black graphics BD split skins cut to fit, a little worn but lots of good vertical remaining $200 OBO for the skis and skins 192 cm BD Zealots- second generation (greenish/yellow color) $150 OBO Thanks, Ryan

That's been my thought and I imagine that will be the direction or it just isn't realistic from a materials/construction standpoint. Unfortunately for both these brands the meat of the market is in people who are not looking for the most extreme performance and the cost that comes with it. MSR sells a lot of Pocket Rockets and Jetboil sells a lot of Zips and Flashes. We've been fortunate in the last five years or so to see so much innovation in what was a fairly dormant category. Oh and Soto seems to be doing interesting things as well. As a biased rep I don't have a lot of respect for some of the models out there that are incrementally different to dodge patent issues but there's always somebody that's going to do that. I will say that most non-integrated stoves use Jetboil's 1.5 liter pot when they set they're boiling and efficiency numbers so buyer beware when using a regular pot.

Full disclosure: I rep for Jetboil Jetboil will be adding a Ti Sumo pot this spring which should bring the total stove and pot weight to 12oz. That's compared to 19oz. for the Reactor and pot and the Sumo-Ti is .1 liter bigger which is really basically the same. The Sol burner is tuned to run down to roughly 20 degrees before there's a drop off in output. In those sames tests the MSR Reactor starts dropping off at 30 degrees. The Sol burner/pot is also more fuel efficient boiling you an extra 1-2 liters per 100 gram canister. The Reactor will boil a liter of water about 30 seconds faster but to me the 7oz. of extra weight and the 10-20% fuel efficinecy savings are more important that those 30 seconds. Wind is absolutely the enemy of the Jetboil though and the Reactor shines here. If you can't get out of the wind go with a Reactor. If CO and weight are a concern get a Sumo Ti. I will say the Ti pots are almost too eficient. You need to have water in the bottom of the pot to start melting snow or you will literally melt the flux ring off the bottom of the pot. Colin Haley confirmed this for me in Alaska last spring. Ultimately you're comparing a Lamborghini and a Ferrari. They're both great stoves and have their merits. Some people swear by one or the other and have good reasons for it. Close your eyes and pick one and you'll probably be psyched.

Fromage- I should have been more clear. When I was refering to "some guy on the internet" I guess I was also including myself. People seem to jump on board with anonymous advice that all too often seems to be based on who actually took the time to post up. If this thread lived forever you might have five different people saying they loved Paclite and five others saying they hated it. That's more what I was getting at in that you can't believe everything you read. I don't want to turn this into a "Jets vs. Sharks/West Side Story" battle over who has more relatively useless info about what at the end of the day amounts to toys. I also wasn't trying to defend Paclite to too great an extent. It comes back to the right garment and balance of properties for the right task. That's tough to answer in brief forum reply and yet you see plenty of people basing buying decisions off of just that. Also being on the industry side of things I am aware of the difference between Event and Gore. My concern with Event is that most people don't really take that good of care of their stuff and though the specs aren't quite as sexy, Gore is often a better longterm solution for many. I know the companies are not tinkering in their own secret lab. It's just there is more flexibility in fabrics with "in-house" laminates. I do think there is a difference though when comparing really light face fabrics like 1.3oz/yd to "traditional mountaineering weight" fabrics like 3 or 4oz/yd.

Think less about the waterproof breathable laminate inside (Paclite, Pro Shell, Event, etc.) and think more about the outer shell fabric. You can get wildly varying breathability from any laminate depending on the type of shell fabric it's mated to. Don't write off any one laminate because some guy on the internet had one and it sucked. I will say though that Gore has restrictions about how light or in some cases how heavy a face fabric you can use with their various products. That's why looking closely at proprietary laminates like Hyvent, Membrain, Elements, etc. makes a lot of sense. If you own the laminate then no one can limit how light you can go with the face fabric. Just remember that any trade-off in weight means less durability (to some extent). Also be careful with used stuff or at least make sure you use a product like Grangers on it once you get it to make certain there's a solid DWR to keep water from absorbing into the fabric. Any jacket with a bad DWR coating will eventually breathe very poorly as pores are blocked by absorbed moisture.

I have a pair of 185cm BD Kilowatts with Fritchi Freerides and BD Ascension skins that I'd love to sell. I find myself on wider sticks more often but these are a great "quiver of one" ski or just as a daily driver. $250 OBO for skis, bindings and skins. I also have the following outerwear items, all in nearly new condition: Marmot Plasma Parka- size XL baffled, 800 fill, highly water-resistant shell fabric, zip off hood $120 OBO Marmot Ion Hoody- size XL The same shell fabric from the Driclime windshirts but without the driclime lining on the inside $20 OBO Marmot Storm King Pants- size XL Windstopper BC ski pant with removable suspenders and knee padding- $50 OBO Marmot Mica jacket- size XL 6oz. waterproof breathable $30 OBO Marmot Tempo Jacket- size XL Lightweight stretch double weave softshell $25 OBO