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BenWA

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  1. Could really just chop it and use the money for something more ethical? Starving kids, ravaged watersheds, native fish, innercity donations to help illiteracy programs or poverty,or Animal rescue.

    Redamaging a fragile ecosystem is, for me the furthest need from my mind.

     

    :moondance:

     

    I'm sorry you choose to frame it in such a defeatist light.

     

    The economies of the poor villages near this crag depend almost entirely on tourism from outsiders. The people in these villages are begging for this.

     

  2. Yeah, looks like it's mapped as Sun Top unit of the Clear West Peak rhyolite, which by the geologic unit description on the map is typically better rock quality than Ohanapecosh (which makes up a lot of the popular sport crags of North Bend). My guess is that it couldn't be all that bad for climbing, especially considering how vertically it stands.

     

    Surprised there's no info on it.

     

    I'm going to scope the area out soon and talk to some folks at the local FS branch. I'm curious, but also want to make sure it's not a marbled murrelet or other bird paradise.

  3. I've been wondering about this for a while but haven't found any info after much scouring -- what's the deal with the crags above Camp Sheppard out on 410? Are there established routes or topos or underground beta or secret handshakes? Or is it just a big chosspile not worth mentioning?

     

    I've read a couple of posts about ice climbing there but nothing about summer routes.

     

    Any leads or beta? My understanding is its on FS land so I can't imagine it's a huge access restriction...

     

  4. Spray is climbing talk - endless, obnxious blabbering about routes climbed; their grades; your opinions on their grades; your friends' opinions on their grades; your opinions on the first ascentionists' opinions of their grades; routes nearly climbed but for the wrong shoes, lack of chalk, or high gravity; your local climbing scene being overrun by "n00bs;" routes you climbed in the gym; intricate, unnecessary details about fancy new gear that will help you send your proj (in fact, I think any sentence with the word "proj" in it automatically counts as spray); endless streams of beta on every single move of the one route you have ever climbed outside; etc.

     

    Not being a snowboarder, I have no idea what a "gaper" is (sort of "all talk, no action?"), but you're probably right that it's basically the same idea. It's definitely a universal climbing term (not just PNW), but I have no idea where it originated.

     

    Considering that I have never, ever heard "n00bs" at the crag or in the gym "spray" about contemporary world politics, and considering that climbing is strictly off-topic in the CC "spray" forum, this place is clearly devoid of any actual spray.

     

    Thanks.

     

    Yeah, a gaper in snowboarding is basically someone who watches all the action from the sidelines, rather than who is actually part of the action itself. It's what the "hardcores" call the weekend warriors, but they also bust on their buddies for being gapers. So I guess it's a little different with sprayers.

     

    So from my understanding, I picture a sprayer to be a guy wearing neon tights, no shirt, a headband, Oakley Frogskin sunglasses, with a French accent saying something like: "For you, dis is good climb. For me, maybe I climb dis when I am sick or when I am tired. But for you, dis is good climb." Am I close?

     

     

  5. exceptions would be the cave and select routes at amazonia and nevermind.

     

    That's sort or what I was thinking [hoping]. I would hope at least that most of the .11's and .12's at nevermind and amazonia are pretty legit...??

     

    I definitely have climbed some routes that were laughably overgraded (like the mossy .10d at amazonia's right side which felt more like 5.9).

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