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so would it be safe to have the third on a safe margin , have him ( two woman, third man-which is the weakest) tie hisself in up on the top of are path in case be mis steps he dont roll down>,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,knowlege is power..............teach me the leader guys............we want this summit........BAD
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AlpineK, so glad to hear you are getting better day by day,,,,,,,,,,keep it up............dont know you dude,but read of your story,,,,,,,,,,,,a check is in the mail ,wishing you speedy and climbing recovery..............Work soft,Play hard,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,fellow neebie climber.............but that neebie is cangine shortly..............i finally summited a utah mountian............next on my list, is ss hood..............cant hardly wait..........been packed for 3 weeks........and double checking all ropes.,belays and invested in extra ice pics,,,,,,,,,,and new crampons.............
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how did you all keep him out?
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Well I am never the one,I like to be the leader.,or 2nd in command.If by chance it is the wrong step or direction I had a hand in the mistake or success.
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So much easier to go in doubles, right?
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Be more specific for me? I would like to donate ,just need to find that address in here, it is posted but cant seem to find it now.....some body , any body know?
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Some one tell me where to find that address for the donation to go to AlpineK?
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seahawk is twocents. or ar best a cheap imitation.
sorry not him, Admin person could tell you that. Hey pinky stinky is back.
seahawk, are you a real climber?
Been top few Mnts. I don't go out every weekend. So really depends what you mean by Real.
so if those guy's didn't get lost you wouldn't be here.
I think you hit the nail right on the head!
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Well Thank You Mr.Phil, Knowledge is Power,I stand corrected.
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Just calling it as I see it, If you can hunt with the big dogs ,,,you stay on the porch,dude
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Did they ban me in the spray room, now that is funny if they did.
They did however ban the twocents .....
What did he do?
Well, Clueless Twit comes to my mind!!!!!!!!
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I have to agree with kevbone...I have only been doing it for less than 6 years,but I have learned never go in three, and tie your weakest climber to your leader. Just something Ive learned,so pass it on.
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Did they ban me in the spray room, now that is funny if they did.
They did however ban the twocents .....
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I regret to inform the pulic that yesterday 12/26 president gerald ford died in Grand Rapids , MI,. Remember the Watergate scandal?
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thanks for the pointers Oleg and Iain! planning the trip last week in march!
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Miss molly,,,,,,on a nicer and much sweeter note--------- I do have a poem that i will send you of why i climb=if you are interested PM me with your email add.i would be more than happy to send it to you. it may provide you with some insight......
Seahawks= i may be a little cocky "people" but most certainly am not a clueless TWIT
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When these bad situations happen, it's too late to figure out what to do. You have to know before they happen what to do.
When you're car is skidding sideways out of control, are you actively analyzing the situation? Or are you acting instinctively and going with the flow? Are you actions to avoid a horrific crash based on a premade "plan"?
Your statement is a fear based approach, you strive to control the uncontrollable. Your mindset preparation leaves no room whatsoever for encountering a foreign situation- you can plan all you want for every contingincy- so what happens if the forecast calls for 4 days of sun and the storm of the century arrives on day 2? Lay down and die? Or learn as you go?
Yes, sliding on ice and snow in a car is a great example. You can be told which way to turn the wheel to get out of that kind of a skid way in advance of it ever happening. And the direction is counter intuitive.
I realize absolutely there is a lot of learn as you go and just plain dumb luck in these kinds of sports. But, this particular sport is so unforgiving of any tiny mistake that I think it requires a lot more education and training than is commonly portrayed.
Let me ask you this: if these folks had hired a mountain guide, would he have allowed them to leave when they did, carrying the supplies they carried? Maybe so, but then he would have been able to find the pearly gates on a dark night in a whiteout, too.
Someone very familiar with that mountain would have had an extra backup system by definition.
Molly,
if I hired a guide, I would make that dude carry all my shit because it would weigh a ton (extra clothes, food and water for 30 days...water purifier, more food, a TV and stereo in case of being in a cave for extended periods. A cell phone, a MLU a PLB, and some waterproof matches.)
And if the weather was shitty I would break out my Petzl Guide Whip so I could giddy up on his ass and make it to the summit in time for cocoa and marshmellows over the campfire we will make with the firewood my guide carried up.
My guide is my backup system. He also has a backup and a backup-backup (compass/map and GPS). If all else fails, we will just use our paragliders and soar off the summit and land at the lodge for some irish coffee.
As to why climbers climb with strangers. Well, it's hard to find people to climb with. You do have to check them out and feel comfortable with their abilities. That is a variable. However, most climbers can asses each other out pretty quickly.
Maybe what you also need to know is that climbing is a risk taking/evaluating sport. You make decisions on what you are taking/doing based on your reading of all the available data and making a risk assesment that is comfortable to you.
dude , i am rolling in the floor on this one still!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To good to be true,,,,giddy up!!!!!!!!!
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When these bad situations happen, it's too late to figure out what to do. You have to know before they happen what to do.
When you're car is skidding sideways out of control, are you actively analyzing the situation? Or are you acting instinctively and going with the flow? Are you actions to avoid a horrific crash based on a premade "plan"?
Your statement is a fear based approach, you strive to control the uncontrollable. Your mindset preparation leaves no room whatsoever for encountering a foreign situation- you can plan all you want for every contingincy- so what happens if the forecast calls for 4 days of sun and the storm of the century arrives on day 2? Lay down and die? Or learn as you go?
Yes, sliding on ice and snow in a car is a great example. You can be told which way to turn the wheel to get out of that kind of a skid way in advance of it ever happening. And the direction is counter intuitive.
I realize absolutely there is a lot of learn as you go and just plain dumb luck in these kinds of sports. But, this particular sport is so unforgiving of any tiny mistake that I think it requires a lot more education and training than is commonly portrayed.
Let me ask you this: if these folks had hired a mountain guide, would he have allowed them to leave when they did, carrying the supplies they carried? Maybe so, but then he would have been able to find the pearly gates on a dark night in a whiteout, too.
Someone very familiar with that mountain would have had an extra backup system by definition.
oh yes, i am going to ascend mt.hood with a back up system,,,,,i am going to bring two packs with me ,next time, so when if i do fall i am happy i have that extra pack , which is what brought me down in the first place,but im going to have a note in my pocket that i did bring a back up system!!!!!!!!!wow, wonder why we havent thought of that before guys?
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If I was an informed person, I wouldn't need to be here asking questions.Molly, the stupid thing you are doing is extrapolating your experiences in armchairing, sailing, hiking, whatever else you do and saying it's the same in climbing when you have never climbed.
Never climbed....that sorta stands out.
Does that sound like you're an informed person? I sure don't think so. I think you would make a bad expert witness on mountaineering.
However, if you want to speculate, speculate and ask questions, but do not make assumptions based on sailing and horsey riding.
People will not take you seriously. Good speculation is based on good knowledge. No one said you could not question climbers, go ahead. Many others have managed to ask questions and not sound like a know it all. Go ahead and try a different route with your questions.
Forgive me for getting off topic but that post of yours about it being steep near the top and falling....that was funny! I mean, falling being dangerous, I never would have known that falling or being blown off a summit to my death was dangerous! Wow. I mean, it is steeper near the top of the horse right? You could get blown off a horse by the winds caused by a rushing attack dog (a pit bull, let's go with an attack pit bull owned by some pot growers in Humboldt, county...good)So I can see how you made that whole thought in your head come together. You did some research. You made some invalid extrapolations based on...well, you've never climbed...based on nothing.
Climbers will speculate and more than likely they will have a definitive answer from the sherrif about "how it happened".
I'm sure that's what you want to know too. How they died. Did they freeze in their sleep or did they plunge thousands of terrifying feet to their death? Sorry there were no explosions to make it even more exciting for you.
And by the way, you are in spray. You know what that means right?
You can post any dumb ass comments and people will fuck with you if they think it's a stupid question.
Maybe you should start blog so you can enjoy writing to yourself.
You said my post about slipping and falling off the top was funny. But, this actually happened to more than one person in the reports I was reading. One misguided slip, because you walk on a particular place off the trail, or you are not using your ice axe, or you have on crampons that are balling up, or you misjudge the hardness or softness of the snow, and boom--you're dead.
That's not funny at all. That is a totally unforgiving situation that is a matter of life or death.
Now, obviously, the people this happened to had no idea it could happen to them, or it wouldn't have happened.
Hey miss molly,,,,,,,,Here is some valuable advice,take it or leave it, If by chance you want answers to some of your outright ignorance on mountians and why and how we ascend(means go up sweetie) ,go buy yer self these books,,No shortcut to the Top by Ed Visterus(mispelled maybe), The last blue mountian by Ralph Barker,,,,Unknown Mountian By Don Munday,,,,,,A life in the Vertical ( not sure of the dudes name but was the first one i read, but was read after I summited the very first time) Read more than one,,,You really need this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If I was an informed person, I wouldn't need to be here asking questions.Molly, the stupid thing you are doing is extrapolating your experiences in armchairing, sailing, hiking, whatever else you do and saying it's the same in climbing when you have never climbed.
Never climbed....that sorta stands out.
Does that sound like you're an informed person? I sure don't think so. I think you would make a bad expert witness on mountaineering.
However, if you want to speculate, speculate and ask questions, but do not make assumptions based on sailing and horsey riding.
People will not take you seriously. Good speculation is based on good knowledge. No one said you could not question climbers, go ahead. Many others have managed to ask questions and not sound like a know it all. Go ahead and try a different route with your questions.
Forgive me for getting off topic but that post of yours about it being steep near the top and falling....that was funny! I mean, falling being dangerous, I never would have known that falling or being blown off a summit to my death was dangerous! Wow. I mean, it is steeper near the top of the horse right? You could get blown off a horse by the winds caused by a rushing attack dog (a pit bull, let's go with an attack pit bull owned by some pot growers in Humboldt, county...good)So I can see how you made that whole thought in your head come together. You did some research. You made some invalid extrapolations based on...well, you've never climbed...based on nothing.
Climbers will speculate and more than likely they will have a definitive answer from the sherrif about "how it happened".
I'm sure that's what you want to know too. How they died. Did they freeze in their sleep or did they plunge thousands of terrifying feet to their death? Sorry there were no explosions to make it even more exciting for you.
And by the way, you are in spray. You know what that means right?
You can post any dumb ass comments and people will fuck with you if they think it's a stupid question.
Maybe you should start blog so you can enjoy writing to yourself.
You said my post about slipping and falling off the top was funny. But, this actually happened to more than one person in the reports I was reading. One misguided slip, because you walk on a particular place off the trail, or you are not using your ice axe, or you have on crampons that are balling up, or you misjudge the hardness or softness of the snow, and boom--you're dead.
That's not funny at all. That is a totally unforgiving situation that is a matter of life or death.
Now, obviously, the people this happened to had no idea it could happen to them, or it wouldn't have happened.
Hey miss molly,,,,,,,,Here is some valuable advice,take it or leave it, If by chance you want answers to some of your outright ignorance on mountians and why and how we ascend(means go up sweetie) ,go buy yer self these books,,No shortcut to the Top by Ed Visterus(mispelled maybe), The last blue mountian by Ralph Barker,,,,Unknown Mountian By Don Munday,,,,,,A life in the Vertical ( not sure of the dudes name but was the first one i read, but was read after I summited the very first time) Read more than one,,,You really need this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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When these bad situations happen, it's too late to figure out what to do. You have to know before they happen what to do.
When you're car is skidding sideways out of control, are you actively analyzing the situation? Or are you acting instinctively and going with the flow? Are you actions to avoid a horrific crash based on a premade "plan"?
Your statement is a fear based approach, you strive to control the uncontrollable. Your mindset preparation leaves no room whatsoever for encountering a foreign situation- you can plan all you want for every contingincy- so what happens if the forecast calls for 4 days of sun and the storm of the century arrives on day 2? Lay down and die? Or learn as you go?
I think she would analyze the situation first! (man i hope she dont live no where near me, or drives on sidewalks)
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I got you a dick in a box.
Holy cow,,,,is that what that is? Thanks for letting me know,I thought it was a vase, I stuffed flowers in the end of it!
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sounds like you are on the right path,,,,keep up the good work.......