The Jerk
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Hoping for a safe rescue for all and a speedy recovery.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/97952424.html
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"This is word from a friend of ours that was up there when this accident took place - Having been trained in Wilderness First Response - he was able to stay with the injured person. here is the very latest from him just about an hour ago:
We're stabilized now, hunkered next to an ice cliff, to avoid getting hit by falling ice. Mountain rescue should be here within a half hour. The patient is doing ok. Joshua Cogar "
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FYI
Climbed South Side Sunday with a LOT of other folks. When we got down, the road was open all the way.
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Wow ivan, that would suck. Glad it didn’t end up worse. And I know you get this, but that was just that situation. Not everyone that has a gun is like that guy. Clearly.
Or was that more about him being a “red-neck”?
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Whenever the gun thing pops up here, as it cyclically does, and somebody invariably cites 'grizzly danger' as a reason for packing, I'm reminded of a conversation I had with our game warden and guide in South Africa's Hluhluwe Umfolozi National Park (HUNP) while on a walking safari there back in 1995. Steve was his name, as I recall. HUNP has a rich population of dangerous animals, which includes black and white rhino, elephants, cape buffalo, lions, and leopards, hyena, hippos, crocodiles, cobras, and black mambas, to name a few. Poaching, particularly of rare white rhinos, is a constant concern, so all game wardens are required to have prior military training. If a poacher is detected in the park (basically, any unaccounted for human prints), all game wardens deploy with fully automatic weapons and are authorized to track them down and shoot on sight. It's assumed that the poachers are heavily armed and will shoot first. They do. Steve himself, had been involved in a fierce firefight with poachers not two years prior. Game guides also carry .458 rifles (elephant guns) while on safari.
Steve, obviously no stranger to the use of firearms, was also an ultramarathon runner who trained regularly in the park...unarmed. "If you bother to learn the habits of the wildlife here, you don't need a weapon, you just need your brain and your senses" he told us.
I asked him how many animals had been shot in emergency situations by game guides in the park's then 45 or so year history. "Two, both by the same warden. Both killings were deemed unnecessary; he was finally fired."
Like many attitudes in America, any feeling of increased security one gets from being armed in a national park is based on myth and a lack of knowledge about both the wildlife and largely non-existent crime in those areas. It's the Lazy Boy approach: buy the appliance, get that manly, 'protector' feeling.
Back on planet earth, however, the danger from wildlife in our national parks is a statistical joke, particularly when compared to the tooth, claw, and poison running around a park like HUNP. Despite this rather glaring fact, some of us continue to harbor significantly more selfish and paranoid cultural attitudes towards this kind of non-existent threat than do, say, most South Africans, who, by all rights, should be a lot more worried.
Unfortunately, this indulgence comes at the expense of the security of wildlife and other park visitors; a sacrifice many 'no exception' gun toters are perfectly willing to make for everyone and everything else. For some, its not about visiting and respecting a wildlife habitat that, after all, isn't YOUR home. Its not about sharing a national treasure with other citizens. It's about 'exercising your rights' and making yourself feel good at the expense of pretty much everyone and everything around you.
There will likely be a few shootings in national parks in the coming years; bears mostly, but just as likely the occasionally brush bashing night hiker or disgruntled campground neighbor, some likely fueled by booze, as such incidents often are. It will be interesting to see how all this plays out after a few inevitable and avoidable firearms related deaths occur.
TV, do you read before your full BS on-slot starts?
“somebody invariably cites 'grizzly danger' as a reason for packing,” That somebody was you TV. More of your full on SHIT mode.
“It will be interesting to see how all this plays out after a few inevitable and avoidable firearms related deaths occur.” That was more from you TV. Sounds like blood in the streets BS talk to me.
So this is where you come on full bore and launch in to a flaming attack on me instead of simply talking and or clarifying the issue.
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In general, I'm bemused about the parnoia and fear of gun toters.
I’m with you Jim. I’m also “bemused about the parnoia and fear of gun toters”. I mean really, once you meet them and get to know those “gun toters”, you find their really just nice folks. I don’t really know why people are so “paranoid” and “fearful” of “gun toters”. But lots of folks are. Maybe they are just haters and insecure deep down inside?
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Lets just be clear? TV was the first person to bring up “bears” as a reason people want to carry a gun (and for that matter, also started with the “there will be blood in the streets” kind of BS). And the “anti” gunners on here were the ones to start jumping anyone that didn’t fall in line with guns=bad.
I have no plans to carry into a NP. But now, if I’m in the area and want to stop in, it’s a non issue as far as if I’m caring a firearm. Still won’t be taking it on my next Rainier climb though!
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You were able to have guns in National Parks before the ban was lifted, but they had to be disassembled, unloaded and stored separately from the ammunition.
So maybe that what I get for believing the signs when they say “No guns inside park limits” ?
I’ll buy it that it “disassembled, unloaded and stored separately”. But that still leaves me with the whole issue of leaving it in the car and hopeing it isn’t ISN’T broken into.
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LOL. Or just a failure to proof read? LOL!
I enjoy many things. Climbing and firearms are just some of them. I used to really enjoy hunting. Now, I enjoy other things more so I don’t hunt much. No great desire to kill. But when hunting, that is a very small part of it. Like climbing, the placing of a cam is only one small part of the overall enjoyment of the outing.
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That’s correct.
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So let’s cut to the point here. The real difference this law makes is that now when I decide to drop by Crater Lake on the way home, I won’t be breaking the law because there is a gun in my car. And I won’t have to take it off and hope my car is broken into when I hike over to look over the rim. And everyone in the park will be just a little safer because the dirt bags won’t be guaranteed an unarmed victim simply because you are in a national park.
The Oregonian (and I bet many here made the same claims and jumped to the same BS conclusions) back when we got the “shell issue” CWP, of “there will be blood in the streets at every car accident”. Didn’t happen then, won’t happen now.
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My understanding of this:
Twins are twins. Both through all pro. Not separated.
Half’s are half’s. Alternating pro. Not combined.
Twin/Half’s are both. Can go with either style.
What CLB says is true. My understanding is you can still do it but need to use a separate biner for each rope so they can move separately when clipped to the same piece if you’re mixing styles.
I use my twin/half’s all the time and love them. Always ready for a double rope rapp, and climbing in a group of 3 is almost as fast as a group of 2. And can be more fun, depending on who the 3rd climber is! LOL
I use the Metolius Monster Twin/Half 7.8’s, which just happen to be marked down 25% at the Metolius website right now!
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Damn. My condolences to the family and friends as well as the climbing community at large.
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I use a set like these, but mine are 26 mile not 30.
They are water proof and have a vibrate feature and have worked well for me. I have talked from the summit of Mt Hood to Cloud Cap as well as down to Timberline Lodge. Also from the summit of Mt Shasta down to Bunny Flats parking lot. So the range is good. Line of sight of course, but good. I take one even when solo for the weather updates as well as just incase. I also take the rechargeable battery pack out when in my pack so I don’t have to worry about it coming on. I have used the headsets at times and its nice if I’m around others so they don’t have to hear all the needless chatter.
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Damn well said.
Climb on. Climb on.
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Good thoughts blurpy. Here are some of mine from on the route Sunday morning. And again to the family and friends, my condolences. And if the family would like any or all of my pictures from the route that day just let me know.
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Otto is it? You having a bad morning? From your 2 post this morning looks like you might need more coffee. Or are you just trying to earn my moniker?
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DrDre! Did you just call me a Jerk?!
I enjoyed talking with you and your wife. You’re a lucky guy to get to climb with your wife. Mine would look at me like I was cracked if I even suggested it. And now that I have thought about it, she would be right! Anyways, now the news is that they came up Sunshine and down Cooper. That explains why I never saw them on the route behind me. I did see two climbing up snow dome during my climb. And it may have been them.
Anyways, nice job getting up and down safe. In spite of those being cavalier, like the guy that was ahead of you in the Levis with blown out knees!
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Wow. My thoughts and condolences go out to the family and friends.
I was going to write up a double TR on this route today. Not sure I should now. I climbed Cooper Spur Saturday night Sunday morning (26th-27th) and didn’t see anyone coming up behind me. I didn’t descend the route for just this sort of reason. There was defiantly rock fall even as I was climbing. In fact I kept thinking how grateful I was that I was solo because of it. So I can just imagine what it was like later in the day as the sun warmed up the rock. My ride waited at Cloud Cap till I topped out and then drove around to Timberline to pick me up. If I recall, he told me on the radio that 2 climbers left there at around 4am. I told him I didn’t think they would be coming up Cooper because of the time and sun. It was bright and sunny (and warm) up high looking out at a sea of lower clouds. This makes it hard to smile about my climb today, knowing that on that same route just hours later…
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LOL Thanks Jimmy. As of last weekend the road is open all the way to Cloud Cap now. The Tilly Jane road was still blocked.
Great job on the Sunshine Route!
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This is how far I made it in on Friday night when I was heading up to climb Cooper Spur.
I had to clear about 25 trees to get this far in. You will need something with a little ground clearance as you need to climb over 1 tree early on that is about 12 inches. I pushed some small trees, branches and rocks up to it and drove over it in a stock Ford Explorer. Finally had to stop when I got to a tree that was to long and big and I couldn’t tow it out of the way.
All I had was a tow strap. And I broke that so feel free to send cash. By the way, a water knot worked just fine after that! I didn’t walk the whole road so I don’t know about any other stuff past that. But I had no problems with snow up to that point. I just walked up to the next corner and then used the GPS to head out cross country. Came out just before Tilly Jane found the trail from there and headed up. And yes, both gats are open. Hope it helps.
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Was up this weekend and carried the snowshoes but didn’t use them. The road was blocked at about 3 ¼ miles but melting out fast. Maybe 50/50 coverage? It got soft but only occasional break though otherwise no post holing. Your mileage may very. It was windy as hell on the summit Saturday.
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It’s fairly well known that canister stoves don’t like the cold and altitude. If you keep the canister warm it’s supposed to help but I just use them for fair weather and carry my dragonfly in the cold and up high. It always works.
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I was planning to climb Rainier this last weekend (fell though with the heat wave) and had talked to the rangers who said it wouldn’t be locked anymore after the 15th. So you’re good to go now. Also they are planning to have 410 and the road to White River open by Friday.
I think I’ll stay away from Rainier this weekend though. That’s going to be a zoo.
It's simply astonishing how...
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I use Boeshield T-9 on my gear, as well as on my guns.
Works well for me.
http://boeshield.com/