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cj001 - cum junkie #1? dude why bill me for your stupidity? oh wait, that's the american way. here's a better use for the toaster, shove it up yer ass!

Hey, I hope this isn't seen as offensive, as I read the most recent reports it doesn't seem they will be found alive – which IS sad. Instead, use this ridiculously long thread to generate some ideas, maybe solutions. As someone pointed out earlier; rangers, families and policy makers read these posts. Situation: sometimes people die by their own or someone else's negligence (or due to a true accident) When this happens, most people living in America this it's sad and want something to be done about it. Doing something about it has a cost…. Questions: Who should pay that cost? What's a reasonable solution to climbing accidents? Should policy makers try to stop the accidents, or stop climbing activities that *might* affect an SAR operation, or require climbers to get a license (like driving a car) ??? Here's an idea: you climb? – get rescue insurance. When you have it and need it = you get rescued (if possible); you don't have any, you don't get the rescue. The end. I realize this may seem harsh, but get a grip. 1) climbing IS dangerous, people die; does this really need repeating?. 2) climbing IS NOT a sport (if you plastic jugs in a gym, then yes it's a sport) climbing is a high risk adventure where solid judgment and luck are the only things that keep you alive. 3) on average, most climbers DON'T require rescues. 4) if someone IS paying, then perhaps state officials, etc could HIRE professionals to perform SAR, instead of relying on altruistic climbers and tax payers cash.