I wonder what some of these idiots (Molly, twocents, that army idiot, etc.) would think if there was a climbing area in the Lower 48 at the same level as Chamonix or the Columbia Icefield. I have to laugh at the suggestion that the North Face of Mt. Hood in winter is so extreme that it's irresponsible to do (which is the impression I get from several of the non-climbers here), when I can go back home watch people climb stuff like The Beast Within and attempt the Emperor Face of Mt. Robson in winter!