Raindawg
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Moderators:
That's right, YOU, moderators!
Please move this topic to the Climbers Board where it can receive the dignified attention it deserves.
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Stone Nudes
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Extreme alpinism:
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Why don't you choose to make sense when you post things.
Practice what you preach friend.
Wise up....participating in a society is a social-contract. You can't necessarily do everything you want and not everything is a choice with a satisfying outcome for YOU....you sound like a spoiled baby (a live one, not a murdered one). Sure you have a choice...and choices have consequences: the government says you can't drive a car without a license because there are standards for driving that are meant to protect others (and yourself). If you choose to do so, you will suffer ill consequences. You can't kill anybody or anything you want...at the zoo or in your neighbor's yard or even have dog-fighting in your own garage...(the government is protecting some examples of non-human life. You can choose to do so, but you will suffer ill consequences. You can choose not to pay your taxes....try it and see what happens.
Complete drivel you write.
How do you tie my driver’s license into abortion? One is not a choice…..the other is.
You are genuinely clueless, over and over again.
Once again, as I have done before with other subjects, I am going to make a choice not to respond to you further on this topic...it is a waste of my time dealing with someone who is at least choosing to appear dense.
P.S. You do have a choice with a driver's license. Choose not to get a driver's license, choose to get a ticket if you're caught.
Now how about taking a little time off to do some thinking before you blat out your next ill-conceived "drivel".
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
THAT'S RIGHT! HAPPY BIRTHDAY
TO YOU!
FROM
DWAYNER, RURP, DONNA TOP-STEP, MERV AND THE WHOLE GANG!
And a burfday shout-out to that Jon-guy who don't understand me/us:
And here's one for that rascal Tim-Ay!
Haven't met that Porter-guy...but here's something special for all of ya:
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Dude…..when you smoke, not only does it hurt you…..but it also hurts the people around you. Physically! So, no one is telling you not to smoke, just do it outside.
Dude...when you abort a baby, not only does it hurt the mother... but it also kills the baby inside her. Physically! So, no one is telling you not to kill, just do it to a deer in the forest or a clump of carrots.
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Simple…..because I CHOOSE it to be. Done. Once again….its a choice. I have never been in a position to make the choice……my choice is to always have a choice.
Why don't you choose to make sense when you post things.
Wise up....participating in a society is a social-contract. You can't necessarily do everything you want and not everything is a choice with a satisfying outcome for YOU....you sound like a spoiled baby (a live one, not a murdered one). Sure you have a choice...and choices have consequences: the government says you can't drive a car without a license because there are standards for driving that are meant to protect others (and yourself). If you choose to do so, you will suffer ill consequences. You can't kill anybody or anything you want...at the zoo or in your neighbor's yard or even have dog-fighting in your own garage...(the government is protecting some examples of non-human life. You can choose to do so, but you will suffer ill consequences. You can choose not to pay your taxes....try it and see what happens.
Perhaps you need to find an island somewhere where you can start your own society and make your own choices with consequences more to your liking, and more in-line with your "thinking", or lack thereof, because anarchy doesn't work.
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But F U for trying to force your opinion on me.
First of all...people might respect you more if you'd knock it off with the F U and such.
Secondly, how is my opinion FORCED on you? Discussions typically involve opinions. If you can't handle opinions, don't initiate a discussion or. remove yourself from the conversations. Nothing has been FORCED upon you.
I do think you are KILLING the unborn fetus……so what…..it is the choice of the mother…..not for you to make the choice for her.I'm impressed about the extraordinary powers you must think I have to arbitrarily create and enact binding legislation. Sorry to disappoint you pal, but in a democracy, if enough people agree, it can become the law....and if enough people agree that killing a developing baby is murder, than there you have it. Even from a libertarian viewpoint, there are standards for unacceptable conduct such as murder. Call it a "fetus" if you like...it's still a developing human...and aren't we all.
If you prefer anarchy, then I suppose you can murder whoever you like and be subject to the same.
you are KILLING the unborn fetus……so whatYou being a proud father, I am surprised at your attitude. Think of your life now had you and/or your wife made the abortion choice.
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israel: way tooo tame for what that place is like.that's one of the nastiest place on the
planet. nice folks ,though.
Ever been there, sparky? I have...I spent two summers there. I found it to be one of the most fascinating places in the world.
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It's only murder if you kill a person. Killing a non-person is not murder. When is a fetus a person? People will never agree on this. I say a person is a person when it can live on its own outside the womb. Others say at the time of conception.
What makes humans persons and not animals? Our brains, that's what, not the fact that we walk on two legs. The same standard should be applied to abortion.
Whatever, cathead. I used to believe that "pro-choice" stuff until my wife and I lost a pregnancy and then we closely monitored the next, including ultrasounds that confirmed to us the humanity of a very young developing human. Here are a few insights (this is borrowed from a web-site...I won't mention from where as it will only dilute the discussion):
When Does Human Life Begin?
Some people say human life begins at conception.
Others insist the human fetus becomes a person at birth, or even at some time after birth.
Still others point to a time in the middle, the twentieth week of gestation, because at that point a baby is viable - can live outside the womb.
WHO IS RIGHT? The question is important when thinking about abortion.
Five signs of life in the womb:
1. Heartbeat
Modern technology can detect a baby's heartbeat eighteen days after conception.
That is only four days after most women miss a period and begin to suspect they are pregnant.
Most abortions are not performed until the eighth week (56 days) of a pregnancy, or a little later.
2. Brain waves
Six weeks after conception signals from the fetal brain can be detected.
Dream patterns have been discovered around the eighth or ninth week.
Perhaps more advanced technology will someday show us heartbeats and brain waves at even earlier stages in the unborn child's life.
3. Independent movement
At about the sixth week, the baby in the womb can move spontaneously: Kicking, swimming, jumping and stretching.
This is long before the mother will feel any sensations of movement.
4. Senses
A baby in the womb is capable of responding to touch and sound by about the eighth or tenth week.
A child at that age will move away from painful stimuli, the most painful of which would be the abortionist's instrument.
5. Breathing
By about the fourteenth week, a baby's lungs are functioning and he or she will practice breathing.
What does an abortion do?
Abortion ends a human life.
Some say that an abortion is nothing more than the "termination of a pregnancy;" that what is aborted is only a "blob of tissue" or a "mass of cells." An early abortion will produce what appears to be a "blob of tissue," but what would you expect the shredded remains of a tiny unborn baby to look like?
Most abortions are performed after the eighth week of pregnancy which is beyond the point when the child exhibits many signs of life, but before the time when cartilage has given way to real bone (by the end of the sixth month). Later abortions produce fully recognizable body parts or even whole, fully formed babies.
P.S.
And what do we do with them then? We ship them off to Iraq to use as cannon fodder.Cannons are rarely used on our VOLUNTEER army by the enemy in Iraq....you must have been watching that Ken Burns WWII program which is full of that kind of lingo.
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because we dont live in a fundamentalist/religious state.
freedom . (not just to do what the morality police thinks.)
So, it should be O.K. to murder whoever is inconvenient in your life, eh? Murder ("unjust death"), a moral issue, has been illegal in this country since the get-go.
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1.abortion is not a solution. it's a cop-out (some exceptions apply.(rape,medical)
2. it is very hard on the 'mother'.
3' next day pill? maybe.
4; should not be legislated. personal choice.
RE: point 4: murdering those darn inconvenient babies should be a personal choice? Seems to me that murderers of pregnant women often also get charged with the death of the developing child.
Why is it acceptable for mothers/parents to end the life of their children because they had their fun and don't want to deal with the consequences?
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But how do you know these evil zygotes don't deserve to die? Certainly we don't understand God's will, and maybe abortion is around for a reason. Maybe this is one way to thin out the herd.
Substitute the words "murderers are" for your use of the words "abortion is" and see if you get another perspective.
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Actually, this only applies to 50% of people who "play the game". And sure, men are "responsible" for their half. They just have a much smaller price to pay for it-that I assure you.
That's a fact of biology but the equation doesn't change just because the terms are inequitable. The other 50% should own up to their responsibilities and pay the suitable consequences...at least 18 years worth in this society.
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By the way, holding conflicting beliefs simultaneously does not make you a hypocrite. It just makes you human. Expecting people to be able to be perfectly consistent--especially when it comes to values that are sometimes the result of emotional response or internal "knowing"--is unrealistic. It is also unreasonable to be such a harsh judge of people just because they can't justify to you their own beliefs and the inconsistencies those beliefs may hold. Don't we all, at least at some point in our lives, grapple with thinking or believing two different things at once? And don't we all, at some time, find it hard to put into words what we just know in our hearts?
And haven't we all done something that is actually true hypocrisy? I don't know about you, but I have stated a belief in one thing, yet acted differently--thus making myself a hypocrite. Fortunately, it also makes me less willing to judge others who are just muddling through the same as I am and trying to figure it out as we go. Unfortunately, it doesn't make me any less of an assh*le. But hey, I'm working on it. And my guess is, so are you.
Your perspective is nicely-stated. The hypocritic behavior of the messenger shouldn't automatically dismiss the message. For example, I find nothing wrong with a raging alcoholic or drug-addict discouraging others from drinking, etc. or otherwise repeating mistakes.
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if you don't want to have an abortion and terminate the life of your growing child, than you can choose not to engage in procreative behaviors...
If you don’t want to have an abortion......than don’t. But don’t legislate that the rest of us cant……
Hey 'bone...I didn't know you were capable of having an abortion.
Hiding something from us?
As a matter of fact, there are numerous laws forbidding murder.
You might also clarify your statement by saying: "but don't legislate that the "rest of us" can't murder our unborn childen."
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And just a tiny note of an ugly reality:
Most forms of birth control are not 100%. So please don't jump to the conclusion that every unplanned pregnancy is a direct result of irresponsible behavior. (And please don't say that is a justification for abortion blah blah blah--I am only pointing out that accidents do happen-even to responsible adults).
Regardless....you play the game, you accept the risks and consequences.
You have sex, you might conceive. You go climbing, you might get hit with a rock, etc.
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What really chaps my hide is these “pro lifers” out there who also support the war……
“I don’t believe in killing unborn babies”…..”but its ok for our already born adults to die in war”…..what a crock of crap.
It's only a crock of crap to those, like you, who don't understand the concept. It revolves around the notion of "murder" which can be defined as an "unjust death".
(The famous commandment, "thou shall not kill" is best translated as "thou shall not murder"...the Bible is full of wars and "killing", but murder is condemned.)
So, in the case of abortion, killing an unborn child can be considered murder: the unjust and intentional taking of an innocent life. From the same perspective, it's not contradictory to be anti-abortion and pro-death penalty.
Dying in the defense of justice or self-defense (which can be debated in many wars) is a separate issue and not a contradiction to the above, unless you first argue that the particular war is unjust (and there are plenty of people who would both agree and disagree in the case of most any given war.) It is indeed sad that many innocents/non-combatants die unintentionally in the course of war and one would hope that those responsible would regret and mourn such losses. Contrast that to the suicide/homicide bombers who walk into a supermarket and intentionally murder whoever happens to be standing around.
Speaking of abortion, here's a perspective for you: some might argue that abortion (with some exceptions: e.g. incest, rape) merely protects a woman's (and a man's) "right" to have irresponsible sex. You want to be "pro-choice"? You DO have a choice: if you don't want to have an abortion and terminate the life of your growing child, than you can choose not to engage in procreative behaviors (e.g., instead, you can use birth control, abstain, etc. etc. etc.) It involves the "radical" concept of taking responsibility for one's behavior. Men also bear responsibility for this as well and if a pregnancy occurs, they're both responsible.
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OLD NEWS.
It was done 20 years ago.
Next guy can do it with a pair of polka-dot undies or some-such over his head if he wants to be original.
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He was a truly great alpinist.
"Guide de haute montagne – 50 ans d’alpinisme
Précurseur du grand alpinisme hivernal
114 premières dans les Alpes et les Montagnes du monde
14 expéditions dans la Cordillère des Andes
9 films - 8 livres"
(http://montagne-virtuel.com/evenements/ice2005/Hommage_rene_DESMAISON.pdf)
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Ole' wrinkle sack "jank'in" up the threads.
Hey Cap'n, let's hear about your awesome smooth sack, loaded with 'jankin' goodness.
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Dawg, if you had read Digital Video For The Complete Idiot you would have realized that his "buddy" was a tripod.
How'd ya know, he didn't sit it on a rock, huh? And how'd he get that tripod in the refrigerator in that part where he's looking for drinks? And it must have been a tiny li'l tripod there in the grass when he was trying to untangle that rope, eh?
Meet "Tripod", his photographer:
I would have hoped the "little bike" bit (not a tricyle) would have merited at least a good clown image from you.You want some clowns? Thought you'd never ask!
Horses' rears! Everyone of 'em!
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I'd be more impressed if they did it with a pair of underwear over their heads.
And they better get moving because these guys are lining up at the base!