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Rob, the Bibler Epic bivy is one of my essentials, for its intended purpose, as a bag cover in a shelter. I think too much trust might put in our ability to return items. A lot of effort has been put into the impossible feat of combining the opposing forces of breathability and waterproof. to support that effort we all end up paying for things that don't work. I once complained to Integral Designs about one of their leaky fabrics, they were unwilling to do anything of course, but what else , they were using the best stuff they could find are now using something new. Good luck! BPGT is lo grade fun to read sometimes and there were no reviews at the time i bought the bibler, i was just shocked that someone would talk of using it under a hose for example, one of the first tests i did. Anyway enough, cheers

Fair enough, I hope it works, I just just don't trust internet info anymore.

Rob, i don't consider it a point of argument, Bibler Epic will leak like a sieve, period . All i need is one ''watertight'' case ,forgive my choice of words, to prove my point absolutely, that these people mean to decieve. there is nothing ''subjective '' about it the stuff leaks.

Unless BD is using some new improved Epic i have severe doubts about any Epic tent. I own an Epic Bibler bivy and a golite jacket. The stuff will shed a light mist for 30 mins or so but basicly leaks like a sieve. There is much false info on the net and i wouldn't put it past manufactures to plant shills on these forums.

I own a Bibler winter bivy made of epic. Its great as a sleeping bag cover under a tarp ,very breathable, but anyone who says it will stand actual rain is either a lier or a fool. Sorry but i've just read a load of bs about this item over on backpackgeartest.org and have realized that there is considerable disinformation afoot. i also own some Epic from golite, same story.

BAckpackgeartest.org is a fraud. No surprise to you guys. But look at their review of the Bibler winter bivy. i have one and it is great as a sleeping bag cover under a tarp but they suggest its good enough to use as an actual bivy sack in the rain! i'd like to see them try.