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No, no, DFA is right. Everybody here who can climb anywhere near V15 or 5.15a, raise your hand... Nope, nobody here is involved in this debate.

Yeah look closely at the grading scale referenced by DFA. It says that V3 is 5.10a.

5.15a~=V18 I don't think that's right. http://www.bouldering.com/bouldering_ratingsconversion_cha.htm In any case I thought sport routes usually get rated up a little just to factor in getting pumped, having to rest, and clip pro.

yeah but why does the list start at 18? between 16 and 18 they are like Japan. Small, not much room for visitors, and unable to defend themselves.

But what if you skied UP the moutain too. Then did you really climb a mountain? Or are you just a dirty herb-smokin subaru-driving hippie?