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Glass, I do agree with you. .. sometimes.

as in Golf.. it is up to the lead party to let you go by or not.. you'll only catch up with another party.. should EVERYONE move over and bow to you? Here we go with the “I’m better then thou.” Attitude. You will always find someone faster and better then you.. (even you Glass) you will always find someone that thinks you DON’T belong on the route, but it isn’t true. If you are climbing safely and doing your thing then you belong.. the elitist can deal with the wrath they create. We have a difference in opinion and that’s how it’s gonna be.

there are more trad climbers that NEVER climb alipine.. your argument is invalid. but i do agree that in ALPINE yes speed is good. dont generalize how people should react..

Glass, I'm in no way close to an outstanding climber as yourself.

p.s. Glass Nothing personal dude, it’s all a fun debate ok?

Glass, Your generalization of “Americans” is classic. Should I think that all Europeans are dicks just because you are? Your ideas are joke. Go ahead and do the nose in day.. you shouldn’t have a problem, not from me or anyone else. You’ll probably get cheered on, by Americans. That is until they meet you and get to know the extent of your intelligence

Hey Glass, Your knowledge is failing you. Your debate of what is “known for sure,” is void. You don’t know anything at all for that matter. You can keep on guessing as long as you wish. You can keep hoping you’ll win some friends or something. Truth be told, is that I do let people pass.. just not people like you. Cheers.

Rumr, maybe it is lame that is your opinion to have. I'll have my own. Smith Rocks and the amount of people that climb there have changed things.. about climbing in general. Because of the production line theory everyone thinks it should be get-on-get-off, as fast as you can thing. Trad climbing is different and most trad climbers would agree.. it’s more mellow, laid back, take your time and make good placements, enjoy the peace. It often involves areas that are not as packed as Smith, yet even at Smith Rocks there are trad areas to hike to, to get away from the crowds… point in the matter is if you begin to have this attitude that “I’m faster then you , so MOVE.” You might come up on someone that doesn’t play that way. As lame as it may seem to you… I have many friends that agree.

Ketch I think you got my point. I let a party pass us at Red Rocks since we had three and they were kicking ass. It's not like it doesnt happen. But I hold true to my policy when deemed necessary. For example. .. Glasslowkiss. Like I said it's just MY policy.. doesnt have to be for everyone.

Hey Glass, you know exactly what you can kiss. You speak like a true champion.. you know exactly how long I’ve been climbing and what grades I climb at don’t ya? Matter of fact you are such a smart guy that you should just go on passing anyone you feel in route, eh? Go for it dude, you’ll know when you meet me.

Mr. Matt, Your opinion is duly noted yet my policy has been quite effective for many years. The things many people forget to remember is that if you don’t know anything about the person you are approaching, then you best make friends before assuming you have a “right”. As you mentioned, it does depend on the situation. The situation can be good or bad based on your own decisions.

drive a mile up the road? that's how the grasslands came about being a "climber's camp" the loud people with fires and parties began going there after the pussification of the bivvy. if they have to keep moving a mile up the road for the gumbies they'll be back at portland before ya know it. until there is a camp host with posted hours and you pay to camp there.. bring on the noise and drive out even the cows.

There isn’t a “golden rule” of climbing and that is the very reason there are so many of these “etiquette” threads, given that, I agree that they allowed you to pass and that following up is a multi-pitch route is not only common but usually acceptable.. she had a bad climb and wanted someone to blame is all. But I do have to disagree with the notion… “first on a multipitch trad route doesn’t entitle you to being first to the top.” If you want to begin following up on a multi-pitch route then power to ya, but my policy has always been that if you try to pass me you’ll get bonked with my #11 hex.

will Joey be there??

The Grasslands is certainly changing and not for the better.. The Grasslands used to be a place for the dirt bag partier types to hang out after climbing.. Those of you hard pulling sport gym rats should stay at the bivy. The reason you drive 15 minutes away from those camps isn’t just because it’s free it’s because we could have fires and drink and stay up late if we so damn pleased… Now the grasslands have every gym rat Gumby telling people what to do and calling the cops.. (fawk!) Hope to keep you all awake this weekend.

borrow a card from someone...

it's hard to say if charges would happen... since some of us... like myself .. have WiFi set up at home and actually hope that the neighbors use it. it's like having your porch light on and thinking people shouldn’t use it to walk down the sidewalk. Someone should file charges against those guys that charge like $5/hr to use their hookup at the coffee shop.. talk about rape and pillage.

thanks guys.. you all rock. Sorry I was a bit vague.. I meant to be. That way you all would just pour it all out. thanks again. WiFi in Portland is beginning to spread pretty well in the city. People can go on a nice climbing trip all weekend long and then go to Pioneer square on their lunch that following Monday to connect and update. I’m looking for those such people so I can get your feedback and maybe a few quotes. Thanks again!

Hey fellow climbers, skiers, backpackers, mountaineers, etc…. I wanted to know if some of you have used WiFi after your adventures to update your web pages, pictures, blogs, send emails about your adventures, check in with family and friends, etc? Please send me your comments about how you got to using it, what you like and your general thoughts on WiFi. Thanks Jimmy

if everyone goes to WY then that leaves the other stuff to us filthy hippies.. yeah!

the PNW is a pretty big area.. where ya at?

isnt it more fun to just beat the livin shit out of them?

Laramie is the shizzy.. rocks everywhere, biking everywhere fishing, camping, etc.. Jhole not far away.. etc.. Medicine Bow close by. Boulder just two hours south.. go, do not walk , run.

jjd, You must be by far the dumbest ass-bastard alive. Soccer is not a European sport.. it’s a WORLD sport.. so go on, tell the world just how intelligent you are.. LOL What a joke!

boring????????? WTF? Greece with a 1-0 lead in the 70th minute while holding off massive attacks on goal by Portugal for 22 minutes.. hmmmm soccer is not a sport, it's religion