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Backlogged trail maintenance... If Congress hadn't cut their budgets, the backlog wouldn't exist. And there wouldn't be a need for for Stanton's initiative. quote: Originally posted by icemancometh: >Also of interest to this group: From this 20% collected from all the parks involved in the project, former NPS Superintendant Stanton developed the Public Land Corps Initiative (2.6 million). This pool of money is availiable to any unit within the system through a granting process(including NPS historic sites, monuments etc.) to complete backlogged trail maintence projects.

Jim, You've brought up a good point, but not one I'd like to address in this thread. I'm only interested in what NPS/NFS employees are doing to discourage and turn around people without permits. And why those people felt compelled to descend. Start a new thread on on the legitimacy or validity of climbing fees and I'll address it. In short, I already gave on April 15th. Why do I have to give again? They are federal agencies after all... quote: Originally posted by jblakley: Just curious. Exactly what fees are we talking about? The fifteen bucks for Rainier for instance? I would be interested in knowing where EXACTLY this money is going. If it's going at least partly to fund rescues then I don't have a huge problem with it. If it's going to campaign funds for instance, I do have a problem with it. Also if we as climbers start battling this by just not paying for it and then getting caught we are going to do more harm for our cause than good. Jim

quote: Originally posted by jblakley: Just curious. Exactly what fees are we talking about? The fifteen bucks for Rainier for instance? I would be interested in knowing where EXACTLY this money is going. If it's going at least partly to fund rescues then I don't have a huge problem with it. If it's going to campaign funds for instance, I do have a problem with it. Also if we as climbers start battling this by just not paying for it and then getting caught we are going to do more harm for our cause than good. Jim

See bottom for the original quote. Now we are getting closer to what I'd like to hear about. So you have been sent down the mountain. By who, and what coercion forced you down? What was said that made you leave? Couldn't you just ignore the person and kept walking uphill? quote: Originally posted by AllYouCanEat: I believe once the NPS catches you, you are put on a black-list. I have been caught a few times and during those times I was sent down the mountain. Oh, they can also give you a ticket. Ha, you want to know my strategy, stay off the main routes. Climb where there are no people and tread lightly and fast and take resposibility for getting hurt and be prepared if you get lost. In other words, don't expect a heli or a rescue team.

I've been skipping the summit registrations, trail fees, sno-park permits, climbing permits, volcano passes, and god knows what else they will come up with next - maybe a luxury tax on full length sleeping pads, since the fees were first introduced. I haven't been confronted yet, but I wonder what happens when/if I do? Ever been caught on a peak without a permit? How did you get out of it? If asked to leave or descend, what did you do appease the ranger, while still bagging that summit? What is the protocol that the NPS, NFS employees are trained to use when confronting unregistered climbers/hikers/people-on-a-day-hike-above-the-tree-line?