sweet. thanks for the heads up. i will be trying to figure out the logistics here and we will look avoiding the Bush River on the decent. thats pretty funny that all four of your buddies had a epic attempting the NF. hopefully it was no more than sleep deprivation, dehydration, a botched decent, and bad weather. if you do talk with them any more dribbles of information would be appreciated since info on this area seems sparse at best. cheers!