Big_Mac

A few clarifications on the accident. They were not hiking on Mt. Saint Helens, but a another peak nearby (I can’t remember the name). On the way back down the mountain at about 5:00 PM Saturday, Tom had a fall and broke his leg. She was comforted by the fact he was not alone. His friend stayed with him on the mountain throughout the night until help arrived around 5:00 AM Sunday morning. His friend had only minor hypothermia, and was able to hike off the mountain on his own. Tom was airlifted to Southwest Washington Medical Center, where he died.

Heard about a fatality regarding a fall, a broken leg, emergency beacon and unfortunately a fatality due to exposure. Apparently the "partner had mild exposure but survived. This whole story does not make sense. Any person have more information? incident Saturday the 4th, spent the night and was then life flight'd out Sunday?

What are the chances of decent conditions, (based on the past) for good climbing the first week say from Sherman??

did these sell?

anythying left?

What is the snow like, do we need axes and or crampons for next weekend?

Are these boots still available? send me a PM

Is there any mfr making wide widths? EEEE would be best, but EEE will work I am looking for a very good leather Boot, but will consider plastic or combo. My Kid has a pair of Aslo Granites, I am looking for something similar. Looking to Ski with 404's, crampon compatable, not for verticle ice work, or extended rock face. might make 20+ mile approaches

Lesson learned so far: First place found = cave 300' off summit I doubt that the other 2 have been in any better enviroment since they left Kelley. Right now it is known that the best chance of survival is to stay together and stay put. I have been preaching that since I was taught it 40+ years ago.

Sorry to be technical, but no one is dead until they are warm and dead.

Need to remember that there are 2 others up there

I agree Alpine Dave, and these are definatly decending, would'nt it be funny if they showed up at their rig sometime tonight and drove out?

Now the DF's are saying that what the stranded are delusional. I have found no basis, the climbers have explainable circumstances for leaving some gear. Now they are comparing these climbers to the idot who decided to leave his family down in the Rogue River area. Families you still should have reasonable hope, and my best wishes

The upside down V is probably the tracks of the snow blocks dug out from the cave. Simple as that

I understand that each person would have at least a tool and ice axe, maybe 2 tools and an axe, a South side decent only requires an axe (for self arrest) particularly for the upper portions un roped. The searchers should have air horns. I have often thought of ways to identify an emergency cave, the best I can come up with is a dye pack that would bleed through several feet of snow. It would need to be a contrasting color other than black. but that is a conversation for later.