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Copy of e-mail I sent to Erik Erik, First of all as a fellow climber I think of you as a friend. I have no intention of arguing with you. I will post e-mail and I am done. Your whole comment about a "witch hunt" is embarrassing to yourself and other climbers alike. 1. You have no rights concerning the described routes unless: 2. They are on your property, 3. Or there are bolts placed next to good pro., 4. Or you lead the climb free with out the bolts. What don't you get about that? I am not a sportclimber. I am not a trad. climber. I love to climb. Sure the bolt fest on Condor is absolutely insane. If it was next to the road I would probably chop most of it because of the visibility from tourists and the Forest Service. No one will give a shit though because it is far enough away from the mainstream that it will not jeopardize out relationship with the FS. The climb is enjoyed by many intermediate climbers......and that is great. Since you have all this energy to debate issues why don't you help me with access issues up the Icicle? If we fight amongst ourselves and the forest service or BLM witness's that along with the bolting, chopping, re-bolting, etc. we will be governed. We will be forced to follow guidelines and restrictions forced upon us by the government. This would forever break the spirit of climbing as we know it. Jordan Valente Leavenworth, WA

You guys are laim!!! Washington Pass is a future "alpine" sportclimbing Mecca...that is inevitable. It will be host to the many existing trad. routes along with the addition of many new sportclimbs. It is only a 45 minute hike for god sake. Snow Creek Wall would be the same if not for existing within the Alpine Lakes. Hopefully new route activity will equal the increase of use so we don't have to wait in line like the gobs of people on Outer Space. Bottom line is: "Don't Bolt Cracks or other peoples routes." "DON'T CHOP BOLTS unless placed next to good pro. or if YOU previously climbed the the route free with gear." This is the law of land and has been since the advent of freeclimbing. No matter how complicated you make this issue it comes down to these simple rules. Love it or Leave it. There are much more important battles to fight out there...Let us not fight eachother. jordanvalente@hotmail.com

Leaving today for Owens River. Please come with. CLimb 5.5-5.12 I don't care Split gas have fun get tan!! Call 509 674 8902 jordanvalente@hotmail.com

Want to go to Owens sometime through 8-12 April. Split gas unless your a hot chick then I will pay for all. Taking my van. Sleep in van or bring tent. i will probably hit hot spings at night. I have been known to drink beer like gatorade and occasionally relax at 4:20 I climb 5.5-5.12 I don't care what you climb. No geeks and preferance goes to women!!!!!!

ALex, I'll show you legwork when I stuff in up your ass. Would love more info. from anyone besides Alex. Hi Ray!

How is Banff this time of year for ice? Any good websites for conditions? Recomend routes (WI3-4+)? Good place for BEER and chics? Camping, motel, hostel?

Going to Red Rocks and J-tree in morning. Please recomend some routes for me. Am suffering tendon injury from the dreaded plastic so am planning on doing mostly trad routes. will probably be using silent partner unless I meet super hot belay bunny that I dream about often. Large overhangs and meandering routes make use of silent partner difficult so. Also recomend boulders in J-tree (hopefully tendons will cooperate) Much obliged Jordan Valente Leavenworth, WA