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Figure Eight or Double Fisherman's Knot???

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I'm looking for everyone's opinion on tying two ropes together for a long rappel. I've heard two different stories regarding which knot to use.

 

I've heard the figure eight can fold back on itself causing it to untie, but if you have a backup knot, are you still in danger? The pro I've heard to this knot is that it can be pulled around corners much more easily keeping the rope from getting stuck.

 

 

I've heard the double fisherman's knot is stronger with less room for error in this application. However, it may become stuck when pulling it over a corner because of the barrel shape around the natural lay of the rope.

 

Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!

 

 

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single overhand knot...aka the euro death knot.

 

figure 8 can untie and the fishermans is bulky

 

make sure you have atleast 6" tails from each rope

 

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figure 8 can untie and the fishermans is bulky

 

there are two figure 8's out there that fire up this little controversy. Using a figure 8 in a euro death knot config is dangerous as said above. It can be used like a square knot though, with the tails backed up. No real point that I can see though. EDK seems to work just fine. figure8.gif

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I have to agree with those who believe that the euro death knot is the best knot for tying two rappel ropes together. Less chance of it getting stuck; easy to untie after the rappels.

Sarg

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Is the EDK tied with both ropes together like a regular overhand knot or is it re-woven?

 

Not rewoven. Tied with both ropes together. Rewoven, it would be like a water knot, except that it would not hold. The water knot is only for webbing.

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If you don't like the double fisherman because it is bulky and hard to untie, and you don't like the EDK because it scares you, then consider the square knot backed up on each side with a half fisherman. It is still very bulky, but is very secure and easier to untie than a double fisherman.

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make sure you have atleast 6" tails from each rope

 

6" isn't nearly enough, unless you really want to tie the death knot. I would leave at least 12" but I almost always leave 18"

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Sounds great! Thanks!

 

I'd recommend you confirm we are talking about the same thing with someone showing you the knot. Would be a bummer if the was some miscommunication.

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So, given that the EDK is the knot of choice, why the menacing moniker?

 

It looks sketchy as hell when you tie it.

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Please do not adopt the EDK until you've been shown the knot in practice by someone who has used it. It works if done right. I'll kill you if done wrong.

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what the problem catbirdseat. An overhand knot with long tails on the same side. Simplest knot out there. confused.gif

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The wonders of Google Image Search

 

overhandsknute.gif

 

Tails should be longer.

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Dru- you're right it is a simple knot but do you really think no one has ever messed up a simple knot?

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The wonders of Google Image Search

 

Did you get that off a licorice retailer's website? hahaha.gif

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What about a figure 8 when you follow it backwards....ie the tails are at opposite ends of the knot. Anyone do that?
see the image in a post near the beginning...I think that's what you are talking about. Nice to see the monthly rope-joining knot discussion is in full swing again.

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It works if done right. I'll kill you if done wrong.

 

That's some strong language there, Catbirdseat.

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Wait a sec, Dru. The image you posted shows the rope followed through the knot like a ring bend. Wasn't someone just saying not to follow it through, but to just take the two ends together and tie an overhand knot?

 

Oh, this is SO confusing! confused.gifshocked.gif

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