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Correct, there is no Due Process involved in placing names on the No Fly List. All that takes place is someone at the FBI decides arbitrarily someone is a threat and then on they go. Regardless of your stand on guns, taking away someone's rights should involve Due Process. It is in the constitution after all.

 

 

yeah, but you keep taking right-of-center stances on positions so Ivan, naturally, must contradict you ;)

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Correct, there is no Due Process involved in placing names on the No Fly List. All that takes place is someone at the FBI decides arbitrarily someone is a threat and then on they go. Regardless of your stand on guns, taking away someone's rights should involve Due Process. It is in the constitution after all.

 

 

yeah, but you keep taking right-of-center stances on positions so Ivan, naturally, must contradict you ;)

 

Everything looks right of center when you're carrying the water for fascists.

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Correct, there is no Due Process involved in placing names on the No Fly List.

that's why the fascists at the aclu have a problem w/ it, right? :)

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Correct, there is no Due Process involved in placing names on the No Fly List. All that takes place is someone at the FBI decides arbitrarily someone is a threat and then on they go. Regardless of your stand on guns, taking away someone's rights should involve Due Process. It is in the constitution after all.

 

 

yeah, but you keep taking right-of-center stances on positions so Ivan, naturally, must contradict you ;)

i agree w/ people when i think they're right- occasionally The Others do get to be right too, QED :)

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I give this thread a 5/7 score. Perfection!

worth more than a black man's life, least as far as the census-man said so, circa 1859, eh? :)

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You could improve the thread up with some Dolly photos, she's get a lot of votes. It would be in a new political party called the Wig (Whig) party. I'm sure they'd be willing to let The Donald in as a founding member. Hillary too.

 

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It's all about style over substance though.

 

 

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Regarding the ACLU's actions on No Fly Lists - some corrections are in order.

 

In the years immediately following 911, the ACLU filed several lawsuits on behalf of American citizens who were racially profiled while trying to fly. This lead to the end of (blatant, unchecked) racial profiling, with a number of required actions (mandatory training for airline and TSA employees, etc) to ensure the practice actually ended.

 

The ACLU's concern with No Fly Lists has been: How does one get on the list, exactly? By what due process? How is the list verified and validated? How does one appeal to get off the list? How is the No Fly List personal information safeguarded? How long is is kept? With what other commercial or government entities is this information shared and what are the impacts of that sharing on the individuals on the list?

 

Quite a departure from 'being against No Fly Lists', a claim which finds good company in phrases like 'carpet bombing' - staples for those who are long on opinion and volume but short on data, experience, or credibility.

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What do you think of a presidential candidate who's supporters yell "Seig Heil!" and "Light the Mother Fucker On Fire!" when an African American Black Lives Matter protester interrupts their Two Hour Hate?

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