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Peter_Puget

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So what the deal with this? Are the teacher's actually losing anything by going on strike or will they get the day back when school the school year is extended?

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Don't you find it more interesting to compare the cost of incarcerating an inmate vs educating a child in this state? :toad:

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Don't you find it more interesting to compare the cost of incarcerating an inmate vs educating a child in this state? :toad:

 

 

Not really. 9_9

 

 

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Don't you find it more interesting to compare the cost of incarcerating an inmate vs educating a child in this state? :toad:

 

 

Not really. 9_9

 

 

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Prisons are a very profitable and growing private industry! Seems like a great investment.

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I thought you were going to post something interesting..... :(

 

Its very interesting! I'm trying to make you rich.

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should really break down the cartoon:

 

1. the students have no choices or free will in order to get off the conveyor. they are all good socialists, why would they?

 

2. The large dude puking out the students on the left is you, Peter.

 

3. The large dude on the right is me dumping my 401K into the prison system.

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Turns out the strikes aren't even legal...

 

http://smartergovernmentwa.org/reminder-teacher-strikes-are-illegal-in-washington/

 

So I wonder how long discussion would be tolerated in the classroom when students ask about illegal stikes and why they should follow rules. My child should work this into his animal farm essay.......

 

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/state-tosses-out-test-results-for-entire-seattle-elementary-school/

 

 

 

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It always makes good business sense to break the law, if it is cheaper than abiding it after factoring in legal costs and penalties. Ask any corporation. Your kids can learn a lot from their savvy example.

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Turns out the strikes aren't even legal...

 

http://smartergovernmentwa.org/reminder-teacher-strikes-are-illegal-in-washington/

 

So I wonder how long discussion would be tolerated in the classroom when students ask about illegal stikes and why they should follow rules. My child should work this into his animal farm essay.......

 

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/state-tosses-out-test-results-for-entire-seattle-elementary-school/

 

 

Holding kids hostage to get taxes raised on everyone else to get a raise. Classy. Don't forget: IT'S FOR THE KIDS. 9_9

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DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND, IF YOU DON'T GIVE TEACHERS MORE MONEY YOUR KIDS ARE GOING TO END UP IN PRISON YES IT REALLY IS THIS SIMPLE.

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It always makes good business sense to break the law, if it is cheaper than abiding it after factoring in legal costs and penalties. Ask any corporation. Your kids can learn a lot from their savvy example.

 

We can always chant together, We're 45th! (in class size)

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DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND, IF YOU DON'T GIVE TEACHERS MORE MONEY YOUR KIDS ARE GOING TO END UP IN PRISON YES IT REALLY IS THIS SIMPLE.

 

You're sort of missing the point here. It is simple return on investment. Prisons are more profitable, but market is keeping kids out of prison. the graph shows that it is cheaper to keep the kids in school...if we make more expensive to keep them in school than in prison, then the invisible hand of the market will push them all in to prison. So the graph clearly shows that the status quo is perfect.

 

use your head.

 

 

 

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Is Jim a lawyer? An accountant? Why do you respect his answer on this matter enough to ask it?

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Jim do you know if teaching are actually losing pay while striking and if the strike

Is technically illegal

 

Well - I'm only married to a teacher. Because they miss a day of school, and there are required numbers of teaching days - this is treated as a snow day - so they get their standard two week paycheck but then have to make it up with an extra day at the end of the year w/o pay.

 

Interestingly - another cutback of recent years is to cut back on coordination days. These are days between quarters where the kids either have a full or half day off - and the teachers then get their grading into the system for distribution AND quickly coordinate with the other teachers regarding the next week's new quarter of classes. The state, looking to cutback, has chipped away at these so I think there is now one instead of four - but the teachers come in anyway as they have to get the work done and be prepared - so a 3 day pay cut essentially. Just tellin' ya.

 

 

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Jim do you know if teaching are actually losing pay while striking and if the strike

Is technically illegal

 

Based on this sentence structure, grammar, and punctuation, I take it you went to public school.

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why don't the teachers just do that stuff in their free time?

 

Essentially that's the answer to most of the questions regarding budget. I've said it before - most of the teachers I know aren't so much concerned about pay (but a COA would help) the primary issue is class size and some basics - like updated chairs and desks for the kids.

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jesus, after 2 frantic weeks of work getting ready for today, it sure didn't FEEL like a day off :)

 

what jim said - yup, it's really a wash, we just gave up a day of summer to make a point, hardly worth getting hysterical over - the only folks really who took a hit here were seniors, who actually lose the day b/c graduation stays fixed - i teach a great number of conservative 18 year olds, and they exemplified the rule that every man is quick to set aside his convictions when he stands to gain by doing so - not a whisper of reproach i tell ye :)

 

as to it being illegal - uh...like...doing illegal things is often the only way to get anything done - war's illegal yet how many things has it sorted out? black folks sitting in white restaurants was illegal for a long time. all them injuns chucked a bunch of tea into boston harbor once and conservatives today are still enamored w/ it :)

 

isn't ignoring the results of multiple voter initiatives and a supreme court order illegal too?

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Essentially that's the answer to most of the questions regarding budget. I've said it before - most of the teachers I know aren't so much concerned about pay (but a COA would help) the primary issue is class size and some basics - like updated chairs and desks for the kids.

i'd think many conservatives would be opposed to the state seizing control from local school districts? if the voters of your school district say they want to chip in more money to add onto what the state's given, do you really want the state to seize that levy and give it to somebody else? why would voters even continue to support local levies in that case?

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