Apdavids Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Just looking to see which people prefer and find more useful. The Camalot C3s or the newer Camalot X4s? Each have the advantages and disadvantages. e.g. the C3 is narrower and can fit pin scares better but doesn't have the expansion range of the X4. The X4s only need three cams to cover the same spread BD covers with five C#s. The #.75 X4 also goes large enough (1.62") to start covering some of the smaller C4s too, which the #3 C3 only goes to 0.89". Current sale prices put these within a couple bucks of each other, so that aspect can be a wash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murse11 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 I have c3s, have used x4s. X4s are okay I think, they seem to walk a lot? I like my c3s, and if I were going to by more small cams I would choose aliens over x4s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YocumRidge Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Neither for me. Broke two C3s in falls and got rid of them. Shitty construction. Now I have switched to alienes and Totem cams. What a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxtaco Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Did you contact Black Diamond about the breakage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BootsandPants Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Neither. Totem is the way, the truth, and the light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YocumRidge Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Did you contact Black Diamond about the breakage? Yes, and they were trying to sell me a trigger replacement kit ($15) plus shipping. Seriously? Would I ever use C3s again - the answer is obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfrost Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 My C3s have been solid for the last 7 or so years; I'm on my second set. Probably use the Metolius MasterCams over X4s though: cheaper and lighter. Nothing wrong with the Aliens, but I haven't come around to the Totems yet... probably haven't used them enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 The Totem "basics" (think CCH Alien Version 2.0) are the bee's knees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Frieh Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 I like and use totems for pure rock climbing but for any alpine climbing where snow or ice is a possibility I don't bring them. I've had bad luck with anything that has internal springs in snow/ice/mixed conditions. I've had good luck in snow/ice/mixed alpine routes (Alaska, etc) with c3 0, 1 and 2 and camalot (not x4) in sizes 0.4, 0.5, 0.75 and up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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