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Obama and his Lying Issues

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Them republicans aint the president or interfering with my life. So, basically, no, I wasn't interested.

 

In the same skit you posted he throws down the rule book for what has to be in a car for it to be legal for you to drive. This is the same thing.

 

I am quite amazed at the reluctance of a significant portion of your country that doesnt want to join the rest of the civilized world with respect to health care.

 

Almost as interesting as watching Rob Ford

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Niether of these are possibilities. But that doesn't mean the GOP wackos will not waste more time having hearings, standing in front of the podium ad nauseum, and voting - for the what? the 45th time to repeal the act.

 

Democrats lost the vote for Medicare Drug coverage not too long ago - rembmember that big pharma give-away? But after it passed, they buried the hatchet and actually help tweak the act instead of grandstanding.

 

If the GOP put 1/10th the energy spent on this show towards actually legislating something might actually happen that was useful.

 

Not trying to hit too hard here, but you were boderline hysterical back in the day, and I recall that you were calling for impeachment over wiretapping among other things. How 'bout now?

 

Here's one of the many reasons in detail:

 

US President George Bush admitted, in his weekly radio address on December 17, 2005, that he ordered the National Security Agency (NSA) to conduct electronic surveillance of US citizens without seeking warrants. The admission followed the publication of the story in the New York Times on December 16 that approximately 500 such warrantless searches were being conducted at any given moment continuously for the last 4 years. The New York Times admitted knowing about the story for "a year," but sat on the story at the request of the Bush Administration.

 

 

The Fourth Amendment to the US Constitution says, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." For decades, at least until the Supreme Court ruled the practice illegal (United States v. United States District Court, Eastern District of Michigan 407 U.S. 297, 313 (1972)) the NSA routinely violated the Fourth Amendment by conducting warrantless surveillance on US citizens.

 

In 1978, Congress passed the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). Despite the law's Orwellian and unconstitutional secret court proceedings, it did codify into law the bedrock principle that warrants are necessary to legally eavesdrop on US citizens.

 

The law included a provision declaring that using the FISA process of obtaining warrants from the FISA courts is the "the exclusive means by which electronic surveillance…may be conducted." Fewer than ten of the over 15,000 requests for warrants to the FISA courts have been denied since 1978.

 

President Bush, in a press conference on December 19, claimed that he ordered the electronic surveillance because, "this is a different era, different war. It's a war where people are changing phone numbers and phone calls, and they're moving quick." Yet, Joshua Marshall's Talking Points Memo of December 17 pointed out, FISA has an "Emergency order" provision allowing a wiretap to proceed immediately in "emergency situations" as long as the Attorney General retroactively applies for a warrant within 72 hours. Former Secretary of State Colin Powell admitted this point on Nightline on December 21.

 

Lawyer Martin Garbus, on Democracy Now, December 19, 2005, said that ordering such wiretaps without warrants, "Is a crime.... it is an impeachable offense." Caroline Fredrickson, Director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office, said, "Eavesdropping on conversations of US citizens and others in the United States without a court order and without complying with the procedures of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act is both illegal and unconstitutional. The administration is claiming extraordinary presidential powers at the expense of civil liberties and is putting the president above the law. Congress must investigate this report thoroughly. We also call upon Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to appoint a special prosecutor to independently investigate whether crimes have been committed." A special prosecutor could refer a case to the House for possible impeachment.

 

Rep. John Lewis (D-GA), on WAOK radio on December 20, 2005, reminded listeners that Bush is "Not King, he is president." Since, "He deliberately, systematically violated the law," Lewis recommends proceeding directly to impeachment.

 

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At a minimum: Repeal Obamacare. Censure the president.

 

interesting notion. i can certainly see someone having this opinion.

 

did you ever see the need for censure during the bush presidency?

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Them republicans aint the president or interfering with my life. So, basically, no, I wasn't interested.

 

In the same skit you posted he throws down the rule book for what has to be in a car for it to be legal for you to drive. This is the same thing.

 

I am quite amazed at the reluctance of a significant portion of your country that doesnt want to join the rest of the civilized world with respect to health care.

 

Almost as interesting as watching Rob Ford

 

Avoiding the mire that is your shitty healthcare system is what we need to avoid down here. Yes, I agree, everyone in Canada has equally long waiting lines. (Except for the wealthy canucks who come down here for complex care.) Anyhow, in the end it boils down to this: some people trust government, and some don't.

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At a minimum: Repeal Obamacare. Censure the president.

 

interesting notion. i can certainly see someone having this opinion.

 

did you ever see the need for censure during the bush presidency?

 

And so the wheel turns. Ever since Nixon... investigate, revile, mock, impeach, bitch endlessly.

 

Let's just fix what's broken as we can (the web site, people's canceled policies) and move on. If Barry-care ends up being a lot more expensive for voters, to the extent it is unacceptable, than they can vote a change in a few years and try to roll the shit back. Until then, give the "smart voters" what they asked for. :-)

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And so the wheel turns. Ever since Nixon... investigate, revile, mock, impeach, bitch endlessly.

 

Let's just fix what's broken as we can (the web site, people's canceled policies) and move on. If Barry-care ends up being a lot more expensive for voters, to the extent it is unacceptable, than they can vote a change in a few years and try to roll the shit back. Until then, give the "smart voters" what they asked for. :-)

 

well said.

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All true. But I do think Obama needs to be called to account for his constant lying and laughable revisions. Censure seems reasonable given the arrogance and disregard for promises he has continuously displayed. Here's another one of my recent favorites:

 

[video:youtube]n6ePJXR216c

 

 

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All true. But I do think Obama needs to be called to account for his constant lying and laughable revisions. Here's another one of my recent favorites:

 

[video:youtube]n6ePJXR216c

 

 

Mission Accomplished? :-)

 

 

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Sadly, the only person as loony as Obama on foreign policy turns out to be...John McCain. But I don't think that McCain would have the "audacity" to lie about what he had said previously in public on a major issue.

 

 

WTF? Does Obama not realize there are cameras running when he opens his hole? And some of them even have replay buttons.

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Not trying to hit too hard here, but you were boderline hysterical back in the day, and I recall that you were calling for impeachment over wiretapping among other things. How 'bout now?

 

Here's one of the many reasons in detail:

 

US President George Bush admitted, in his weekly radio address on December 17, 2005, that he ordered the National Security Agency (NSA) to conduct electronic surveillance of US citizens without seeking warrants. The admission followed the publication of the story in the New York Times on December 16 that approximately 500 such warrantless searches were being conducted at any given moment continuously for the last 4 years. The New York Times admitted knowing about the story for "a year," but sat on the story at the request of the Bush Administration.

 

 

The Fourth Amendment to the US Constitution says, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." For decades, at least until the Supreme Court ruled the practice illegal (United States v. United States District Court, Eastern District of Michigan 407 U.S. 297, 313 (1972)) the NSA routinely violated the Fourth Amendment by conducting warrantless surveillance on US citizens.

 

In 1978, Congress passed the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). Despite the law's Orwellian and unconstitutional secret court proceedings, it did codify into law the bedrock principle that warrants are necessary to legally eavesdrop on US citizens.

 

The law included a provision declaring that using the FISA process of obtaining warrants from the FISA courts is the "the exclusive means by which electronic surveillance…may be conducted." Fewer than ten of the over 15,000 requests for warrants to the FISA courts have been denied since 1978.

 

President Bush, in a press conference on December 19, claimed that he ordered the electronic surveillance because, "this is a different era, different war. It's a war where people are changing phone numbers and phone calls, and they're moving quick." Yet, Joshua Marshall's Talking Points Memo of December 17 pointed out, FISA has an "Emergency order" provision allowing a wiretap to proceed immediately in "emergency situations" as long as the Attorney General retroactively applies for a warrant within 72 hours. Former Secretary of State Colin Powell admitted this point on Nightline on December 21.

 

Lawyer Martin Garbus, on Democracy Now, December 19, 2005, said that ordering such wiretaps without warrants, "Is a crime.... it is an impeachable offense." Caroline Fredrickson, Director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office, said, "Eavesdropping on conversations of US citizens and others in the United States without a court order and without complying with the procedures of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act is both illegal and unconstitutional. The administration is claiming extraordinary presidential powers at the expense of civil liberties and is putting the president above the law. Congress must investigate this report thoroughly. We also call upon Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to appoint a special prosecutor to independently investigate whether crimes have been committed." A special prosecutor could refer a case to the House for possible impeachment.

 

Rep. John Lewis (D-GA), on WAOK radio on December 20, 2005, reminded listeners that Bush is "Not King, he is president." Since, "He deliberately, systematically violated the law," Lewis recommends proceeding directly to impeachment.

 

 

:lmao:

 

holy shit, you really DO have your own searchable database of cc.com quotes. I thought that was just a myth! Or, have you just figured out how to actually make the cc.com search function actually find things?

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Took all of 90 seconds. "Impeach Bush" -->Jim--> <10years + >5years. I must say, Jim has a full ten pages of Bushhate just in that 5 year span alone, so it's kind of surprising when he calls for calm and compliance now.

 

ObamaCare aside; do you, Jim, now call for the impeachment of president Obama based on his wiretapping excesses? :fahq:

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ObamaCare aside; do you, Jim, now call for the impeachment of president Obama based on his wiretapping excesses? :fahq:

 

it wouldn't be the first time someone got impeached for tapping :smirk:

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ObamaCare aside; do you, Jim, now call for the impeachment of president Obama based on his wiretapping excesses? :fahq:

 

it wouldn't be the first time someone got impeached for tapping :smirk:

 

Of course, there's no evidence (yet) that Obama wiretapped his political opponents--only our foreign allies. For his domestic opponents he uses the IRS.

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blah blah blah. quit being so partisan. this is about obama and his mis-step.

 

supposedly he was counseled against making this proclamation in the first place, but, well, he had a fever. More cowbell!

 

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

 

Dude, you otta hear yourself now!

 

3 trillion $$$ question- WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE WMD'S in iraq?

 

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ObamaCare aside; do you, Jim, now call for the impeachment of president Obama based on his wiretapping excesses? :fahq:

 

it wouldn't be the first time someone got impeached for tapping :smirk:

 

Of course, there's no evidence (yet) that Obama wiretapped his political opponents--only our foreign allies. For his domestic opponents he uses the IRS.

 

I, for one, am shocked -- SHOCKED -- that the NSA and CIA are spying on people. zomg!

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I have nothing against fairweather's call for consistency.

 

i hope his call is based on principles, not party lines.

 

every US president violates law, both domestic and international.

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I have nothing against fairweather's call for consistency.

 

i hope his call is based on principles, not party lines.

 

every US president violates law, both domestic and international.

 

can you please rephrase that in the form of a question?

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Guys, I gotta joke 4 ya.....

 

Q: How do you tell if tell if a politician is lying?

 

A: A telephone pole because a motorcycle has no doors.

 

 

HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA GET IT?????

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Which direction? Humor? Laughter is the best medicine, and we definitely need a lot of medicine.

 

I voted for Obama, and he had done plenty to disappoint...I can't defend some of the things he has done. Yes he has done some good things too.

 

The problem is this for anyone: who is going to replace him? The truth is that people don't get elected president by telling the truth. We don't want the truth, because the truth often sucks. Not that lying is justified, but if you run a campaign based on truth, and your opponent rides a shit-tsunami of lies and pukes rainbows, you will lose.

 

Who was the last really "honest" president?

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