ScaredSilly Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Happened at the Nanga Parbat base camp: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/23/pakistan-gunmen-climbers_n_3484986.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassgowkiss Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 This is fucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassgowkiss Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 victims more info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassgowkiss Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Among dead are know climbers Peter Sperka and Igor Svergun. http://www.petersperka.sk/en/index-en.html RIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete_H Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genepires Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 (edited) "Pakistani Taliban claimed it carried out the attack at Nanga Parbat to avenge the death of their deputy leader in a U.S. drone strike last month." Not that an attach such as this is warranted in any way, but thier logic is messed up even from a war point of view. USA kills their leader and they shoot up a bunch of non americans? (no way did they know that the Hong Luchin guy was american) Dumb-ass. Edited June 24, 2013 by genepires Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassgowkiss Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 These killings were religiously motivated, so the logic is sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 a true objective hazard for climbing in that there part of the world, no? thankfully there are fewer zealots such as these in the andes and in the alaska range, for them that want their big, big mountains, minus the crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 These killings were religiously motivated, so the logic is sound. i doubt that religion was the key motivator - more like simple, murderous anger - "you killed somebody we love, so now we want to kill somebody" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Trick Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 These killings weren't motivated by religion. It's quite simple actually. The US kill a Taliban leader, the Taliban have to respond. The Taliban doesn't have the capability to kill any US military, so they resort to the closest thing they can find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScaredSilly Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 Actually, the killings were very much premeditated and not religious based per say. While the Taliban wanted to avenge the death of one of their own via a drone strike they are trying to pull in a region that for the most part has not been affected by the violence in Pakistan. The Gigit/Baltoro area depends very much on tourism. By killing tourists the Taliban hope that that the leaders will decry the drone attacks - thus indirectly supporting the Taliban. However, it can also go the other way in that the region will close ranks and hunt down the Taliban for causing them a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDCH Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Actually, the killings were very much premeditated. While the Taliban wanted to avenge the death of one of their own via a drone strike they are trying to pull in a region that for the most part has not been affected by the violence in Pakistan. The Gigit/Baltoro area depends very much on tourism. By killing tourists the Taliban hope that that the leaders will decry the drone attacks - thus indirectly supporting the Taliban. However, it can also go the other way in that the region will close ranks and hunt down the Taliban for causing them a problem. Lets hope the latter is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassgowkiss Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Let's start with some facts. First of all, this is not the first time Taliban attacked in that area. There are at least 3 attacks in the past 3 years, most famous one was on a cricket team from Sri Lanka in 2009. There were several instances of sectarian violence, mostly going unreported by the press in the US. Killed people were infidel, killed Pakistani was Shias, and this was the sole reason he was killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScaredSilly Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share Posted June 25, 2013 The Sri Lankans were attacked in Lahore which quite a bit south of the Nanga Parbat region. Islamabad is closer. So I am not sure I would say "that area." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Killing people from China is a rather bad move. The Pak government is trying to encourage Chinese investment at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BootsandPants Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 This is going to absolutely crush the already strained tourist industry in the Hunza and Gilgit areas. Very sad about the people who have died, and also very sad news for all of the people in the region who depend on the tourist income to feed and take care of their families. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aforslund Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 It's never good to hear about something like this. But, I don't think it has stopped me from wanting to go back to Pakistan. If given the opportunity I would be climbing there in a heartbeat. Good Luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassgowkiss Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 well, you might want to re-think it twice. Wielicki just canceled winter expedition to Nanga Parbat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassgowkiss Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Here is a first hand account: in Polish So first of all, Northern Pakistan is no longer a safe place. The group announced they are targeting all the foreigners. The killings were reprisal for killings of Bin Laden. At the moment Pakistani army is doing very little to capture the group or secure tourist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pup_on_the_mountain Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Here is a first hand account: in Polish Google translation to English Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassgowkiss Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 From Steve Swenson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Thanks for the link. The post was very informative and well written, putting the recent attacks into the larger histo-politcal context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassgowkiss Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 First hand account Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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