allthumbs Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 dfa,You're just as bad as SC. Why don't you two get together for a corn hole session. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Have any of you even spoken to a single Iraqi? Â SC, I have heard many (convincing?) reports of brutality and oppression at the hands of Saddam's govt. on NPR. That is my source. I trusted it as I don't really think of NPR as a shill for the Iraq war. Â Have you personally talked to any Iraqis? From your tone, it sounds like you have. Why don't you fill us in? Do they like Saddam's government? Are the reports of murder and torture of people who are merely relatives of those suspected of being anti-Saddam greatly exaggerated? Â Ummm, maybe we could simply STOP making life hell in Iraq by lifting the sanctions? Â Uh yeah. That would help. I am just being fatalistic because I don't think there's any way in the world that will happen without the removal of the current govt. in Iraq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 SC you on a rampage baby.... you high strung today??/ haven't beeen gettin' enough lovin' lately??? Â at any rate If I were a government I would not do business with zellots and idiots. that would rule out Sadam. I can think of no good reason to help his government stay in power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 SC and DFA are probably rag-head terrorists. Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Tarasque, your predictability has reached a new zenith. Now I know how the English must have felt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Go play with your turban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 at any rate If I were a government  I'd sign a treaty with you baby. Can you say "border dispute"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Oh muffy muffy muffy. (End comment.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 what would you know about girls, fag-stick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Trask, you've backed so far into the closet, it's getting hard to see you in there, what with the piles of designer shoes and hangers of chic club-wear in the way. Polish up your penny loafers and mince your way out into the world like the sassy little queen that you know you are. Â GO, girl! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 (edited) Greg- I think SC's right that we HAVE contributed to the poor living conditions in Iraq for the last ten years. One might disagree about whether the sanctions were justified, but I don't think there is much doubt that they have adversely affected Iraqi people more than they have hurt Saddam himself. Don't get me wrong, I believe that we did have to do SOMETHING when he refused to adhere to the agreements but I question what it is that we are doing, and what our real goals in all of this are and I think those three "goals" as presented to us by our president are complete nonsense. Remember when, during the campaign, GW debated Gore and said that he thought we should not send our troops around the world to promote democracy and freedom? Has he suddenly changed his mind or is it, perhaps, something else that we are after? Edited January 3, 2003 by mattp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 that all you got dfa? you can do better than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Trash, what'samatta? You're awfully PC today. Why don't you cut loose and tell us how you really feel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 the American public is eating this sh*t up  there is plenty of evidence suggesting this is not the case despite the media regurgitating the party line every day. Did you check out the link above? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 (edited) Matt, I think the Bush admin probably thinks of the promotion of democracry and freedom in Iraq as "collateral damage". Â Kind of ironic huh? since we're giving up ours here. Edited January 3, 2003 by chucK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Well Matt, I guess by your logic the U.S. should sit back while third world countries around the world "go nuclear". Gee, what fun that'll be in a few years when communist dictators run amuck with nukes. I know I'll feel safer, won't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Mattp - Unfortunately, the Iraqi people have not been the beneficiaries of the aid we have tried to send. Originally, the "oil-for-food" program was supposed to go to the people. However, the food travels through Saddam-controlled ports and checkpoints being subject to pilfering and outright stealing by Saddam and his agents. This is not our fault. We are not responsible for Saddam's actions; only for ours (learned that in therapy). We are doing what we can to get aid to the Iraqi people (much like in Somalia), but Saddam is in power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 dfa, whydoncha suck the farts outta my ass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 I hate to be the one to say it but polotics has been fucked up in that part of the world for all time. (yes yes I know not every one want so to be like america, not every one wants two cars and cable tv) It is messy and honestly I don't think that even a third world war can subdue the well, messieness of it  it sucks, people are going to die Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Trask, If that is what we want to stop, shouldn't we be invading N. Korea instead? Â So far, there is no evidence (that anybody will show us) that Iraq is making a bomb, while N. Korea is trumpeting their efforts to the world? Because of this, I hardly believe fear of nuclear proliferation is our true motivation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Trask, do us a favor and go die for your country. ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Trask - It is "nucular" powers that GW fears. No, I don't think we should sit back and allow nuclear proliferation, but if you look atour dealings with N. Korea, Iraq and Afghanistan, you have to agree that if you were running N. Korea you'd be building up your nuclear weapons program as quickly as possible and that, if you were Saddam, you'd be trying to do the same thing! You may argue that is precisely why we have to invade Iraq now, but so far I have seen nothing to indicate that Saddam would ever send one of those weapons our way because to do so would surely result in our justifiably flattening him and he has shown over the last 50 years or so that he wants to hold on to power. And what ChucK says -- if we have evidence that Saddam is anywhere near developing nukes, why can't they tell us about it? Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Chuck, I listened to an interesting idea today on the news. If we can't pressure China to back Korea off from their threat, than the U. S. might threaten to make Japan nuclear. Think about them apples. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Christ! I hope I look cute in post Nuculare green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Yeah, that Rush has an answer to everything, doesn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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