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I get what you're saying -- there are all sorts of acts of supreme violence that I can rationally understand.

 

But I have a hard time imagining a violent ideology that would inspire me to bomb marathon runners. I mean, I hate running and all, but not that much.

 

That may be what makes it so threatening... It could/does happen anywhere. NO WHERE IS SAFE!!!

 

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There's no shortage of violent ideologies, both secular and religious, that have been inspiring otherwise normal, sane people to commit acts of violence that they wouldn't have otherwise for all of recorded history and then some.

 

It's not difficult to comprehend in the sense that it clearly happens all the time, even if I can't personally imagine believing in whatever ideology has inspired the latest batch of killers, much less being inspired to engage in violence by them. If only crazy people committed acts of mass violence, we'd be living in a much, much more peaceful world than we do or ever have.

 

 

what's rather strange and akilter with the above sentiments of yours is that the sociopathy on display in boston so very much pales to the sociopathy that you supported with the invasion of iraq.

 

let's see... two misguided youth in support of whatever ideology they might have been supporting: 3 dead a few tens wounded;

 

1 misguided man and his cronies, along with the american public, in support of a miguided ideology: a few hundred thousand dead, many more wounded, and millions displaced.

 

who's really crazy in this crazy world?

 

Hey - Look who's back in Spray!

 

1. "The Immune System," by Peter Parham is a great, concise reference on Immunology. I just started working through it, and after the 1st chapter my thought was, there's no way that that Kimmo guy could possibly continue to entertain his anti-vaccine stance after finishing this book. Prove me wrong!

 

2. Just don't have time to relitigate that case again these days, but if you're feeling inspired, maybe you can explain how that same line of reasoning doesn't implicate the Civil War, WWII, etc?

 

 

I think the starting point for evaluating the organized use of violence are (1)the ends one hopes to achieve, and once you move beyond a moral assessment of the ends, you have to move onto a consideration of (2)the means used to achieve them, and then conclude with (3) an evaluation of what the war actually achieved in practice.

 

If someone claims that 1 and 2 are irrelevant, and all ends/means are morally equivalent, then persisting in a conversation with them is about as appealing to me as having a discussion about arithmetic with someone who claims that 2+2 = "Milkshake." If someone concedes that ends and means actually matter, and you need to take them into account when assessing point 3, then I could probably have an interesting conversation with them, at least in theory. But, as I said, I just don't have the time or the inclination to pursue that kind of conversation here anymore.

 

If you want to meet in person, after you've read Parham, *and* you buy the drinks I'll listen to you defend both points. E.g. that vaccines cause Autism and that I'm a sociopath, shoot me a PM I'll try to find the time.

 

Happy Reading.

 

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if it's wasn't for smugness, cc.com wouldn't survive.... well that and the bad weather ;)

 

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There's no shortage of violent ideologies, both secular and religious, that have been inspiring otherwise normal, sane people to commit acts of violence that they wouldn't have otherwise for all of recorded history and then some.

 

It's not difficult to comprehend in the sense that it clearly happens all the time, even if I can't personally imagine believing in whatever ideology has inspired the latest batch of killers, much less being inspired to engage in violence by them. If only crazy people committed acts of mass violence, we'd be living in a much, much more peaceful world than we do or ever have.

 

 

what's rather strange and akilter with the above sentiments of yours is that the sociopathy on display in boston so very much pales to the sociopathy that you supported with the invasion of iraq.

 

let's see... two misguided youth in support of whatever ideology they might have been supporting: 3 dead a few tens wounded;

 

1 misguided man and his cronies, along with the american public, in support of a miguided ideology: a few hundred thousand dead, many more wounded, and millions displaced.

 

who's really crazy in this crazy world?

 

Hey - Look who's back in Spray!

 

1. "The Immune System," by Peter Parham is a great, concise reference on Immunology. I just started working through it, and after the 1st chapter my thought was, there's no way that that Kimmo guy could possibly continue to entertain his anti-vaccine stance after finishing this book. Prove me wrong!

 

2. Just don't have time to relitigate that case again these days, but if you're feeling inspired, maybe you can explain how that same line of reasoning doesn't implicate the Civil War, WWII, etc?

 

 

I think the starting point for evaluating the organized use of violence are (1)the ends one hopes to achieve, and once you move beyond a moral assessment of the ends, you have to move onto a consideration of (2)the means used to achieve them, and then conclude with (3) an evaluation of what the war actually achieved in practice.

 

If someone claims that 1 and 2 are irrelevant, and all ends/means are morally equivalent, then persisting in a conversation with them is about as appealing to me as having a discussion about arithmetic with someone who claims that 2+2 = "Milkshake." If someone concedes that ends and means actually matter, and you need to take them into account when assessing point 3, then I could probably have an interesting conversation with them, at least in theory. But, as I said, I just don't have the time or the inclination to pursue that kind of conversation here anymore.

 

If you want to meet in person, after you've read Parham, *and* you buy the drinks I'll listen to you defend both points. E.g. that vaccines cause Autism and that I'm a sociopath, shoot me a PM I'll try to find the time.

 

Happy Reading.

 

yup, back to say hi to all my friends.

 

would only a crazy person compare the iraq invasion to ww2? certainly seems that way, if that one uses the metrics you propose for establishing a defense for using an organized military action. i think i'd much rather prefer a conversation with someone who claims 2+2=milkshake, since they'd probably have something more interesting to say.

 

and instead of me reading your suggested book, why don't you go back and read the thread where you seemingly got the mistaken idea someone here supports the notion that vaccines cause autism. after that, i'd be happy to buy you a drink. what's your preferred beverage?

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The difference between the Tsarnaev brothers and Klebold/Harris is?

 

a) one Tsarnaev brother is still alive

b) ISLAM!!! :rolleyes:

c) school vs. marathon

 

Discuss

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i would bet the younger of the brothers dies in the hospital and won't be able to speak....

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i would bet the younger of the brothers dies in the hospital and won't be able to speak....

 

That would save a lot of money on the prosecution and subsequent incarceration.

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But if he does in the hospital we won't have a chance to violate his rights. Wait, looks like we're already on that. Nevermind

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But if he does in the hospital we won't have a chance to violate his rights. Wait, looks like we're already on that. Nevermind

 

True, let's nurse him back to health so we can waterboard him.

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they shot him in the throat to try and silence him so he wouldn't identify the FBI agents that instructed him on the attack. But it's cool, his parents are coming to the U.S. to clear his name.

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they shot him in the throat to try and silence him so he wouldn't identify the FBI agents that instructed him on the attack. But it's cool, his parents are coming to the U.S. to clear his name.

 

don't believe everything you see!

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Have you actually *seen* the suspect? Your data is no better than mine!

 

Prison Planet!

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Yes, Oblamo Sin Barry Lefter than Left Laden granted them honary citizenship after they carried out his bidding.

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I don't need no "satanic government" protecting me... I have lived most of my life without their protection... and I am just fine. They are saying now that the attacks involve a wider conspiracy. Well... they have that part right... all these attacks on the U.S., and other countries are ordered by the Antichrist, who just happens to have served as the 42nd President of the United States of America... William Jefferson Clinton.

 

 

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"As horrible and horrific this terrorist bombing was with the loss of innocent lives and the many wounded, this nation is in more danger from Marxist Obama. His sole purpose is to destroy our Heavenly inspired Constitution and God given freedoms. Mark my words: he will try to proclaim Martial Law just before the 2016 election in order to stay in power and change our Republic of freedom into a socialist/communist state. But he knows he can't do that until guns are taken away from law abiding citizens first. Therefore, he will intensify his attack on the 2nd Amendment; and will issue an illegal Executive Order usurping our freedom if Congress doesn't cave in and give him his way.

He has broken his oath of office to support and defend The Constitution of the United States against all foes, foreign and domestic, by infringing on our right to bear arms, constantly lying to the American people, illegally by-passing Congress, and the list goes on. Congress must impeach this Marxist tyrant from Kenya before it is too late to save our Republic."

 

 

 

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But if he does in the hospital we won't have a chance to violate his rights. Wait, looks like we're already on that. Nevermind

 

Not that I give a fuck about this shitbag's rights, but it is rather ironic how these far-right Republicans like Graham advocate for ignoring estsblished Constitutional protections of a criminal defendant; trusting the state to prosecute U.S. citizens as foreign combatants without any oversight.

 

But when it comes to 2nd Amendment rights, they won't compromise on the most ambiguous clause of the Bill of Rights, and won't even trust the government to have a national gun ownership registry.

 

But I guess, like most politicians 99% of the time, they're just representations of their fucked up constituency.

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That was just rhetoric but thanks for the civics lesson

 

TTK sure called this one right didn't he? McVeigh type, home grown Christian right-wingers, amirite? LOL

 

 

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His rights are our rights. Probably worth giving a shit about, IMO.

 

No truer words have been written. :tup:

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