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a few years ago i met some canadian armed forces training in the bluffs, a few of em had cierzos, i asked how they lasted (and they USE their gear), they said that if your going to climb rock get a pack cover cause they dont last long


stupidly i forgot this advice when the new shiny bling model came out ... the 25L one fit quite well and only weighed 400gms ... after a month on moderate multis (no hauling or chimneys) the sides blew out ... the 100D sides dont stand abrasion at all IMO especially if you have a few hard objects (water bottles) that the rock can rub against with the fabric ...


IMO these UL packs with thin denier fabrics are a very specialized tool ... something with a thicker fabric doesnt weight much more and will last much longer ... its funny that dead bird recommends the cierzo for "rock climbing" right on their page



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