olyclimber Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 what a bunch of dweebs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 [video:youtube] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genepires Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 what a bunch of dweebs  guilty as charged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 All this talk about electricity makes me go all tingly inside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassgowkiss Posted August 7, 2012 Author Share Posted August 7, 2012 I would like to see a total cost analysis for areas like Florida, New England or Buffalo NY, where we have yearly events (like hurricanes and huge snow storms), shutting down entire areas for weeks at the time. In October 2006 Buffalo was hit by early winter storm, and the city was basically shut down for a week. If you consider economic impact of shutting down production in most facilities for one or two week period, underground power lines would be paid for in no time at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whirlwind Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 (edited) wow way to be a dick... ok smart guy u can read a table good for you but if you actually did the math, you'd know that from table 5 #12 thhn is .0133in2 area. and from art 358 (table 1 chapter nine in the back) 60% fill of emt is .182 in2. .182/.0133=13.68 but u have to round down to 13.  in article 358.22 Number of conductors (emt); it says number of conductors may not exceed % fill of table 1 chapter nine. so u can use up to the 60% fill. there would be some amperage derating due to # of conductors according to table 310.15 (b)(2)(a) but you can legally use 13 #12 thhn in a 1/2 in emt  as far as mc cable goes ive only seen 3 wire and 4 wire, so i asumed that was all they made, i was probably wrong on that. Edited August 9, 2012 by whirlwind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whirlwind Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 oh yeah, and we where talking total cost, i though, and home-runs are apart of total cost, so if you did everything with mc as it seemed like you where suggesting as the cheaper alternative, then your install would be alot more expensive then mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassgowkiss Posted August 9, 2012 Author Share Posted August 9, 2012 Eric, the total cost should include revenue lost from factories production shutdown. I am not talking about the cost of line installation. The total cost would include revenue losses from power outages, total cost of repairs over period of time. The cost of dig, cable is one part, but these other parts also matter. Imagine Intalco shutting down for 2 weeks due to lack of power? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whirlwind Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Glass, i agree with your analysis, i was referring to genepires post. what it comes down to for the PUD's is they would rather spend alittle money every now and again, they probly write the repairs off in taxes anyway, then spend alot of money trying to rerun all the lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassgowkiss Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 Spend this- 1/4 of the country is out of power. Now this is not only just convenience issue! This is a real threat to safety of people, to national security and economy of the country. In the moment like this, it is hard to justify just $$$ value on infrastructure investment. Lucky, it is not that cold yet, however sitting in the dark house can present a real threat to a lot of people. Looks to me this near sighted policy of placing residential power lines above the ground has to be revisited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
counterfeitfake Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 1/4 of the country is out of power. Â Who told you that, and why did you believe it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Spend this- 1/4 of the country is out of power. Now this is not only just convenience issue! This is a real threat to safety of people, to national security and economy of the country. In the moment like this, it is hard to justify just $$$ value on infrastructure investment. Lucky, it is not that cold yet, however sitting in the dark house can present a real threat to a lot of people. Looks to me this near sighted policy of placing residential power lines above the ground has to be revisited. Â ChemTrails!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 GO RON PAUL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Holographic planes crashing into towers spreading holographic debris that ends up in holographic investigation hangers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 1/4 of the country is out of power. Â Who told you that, and why did you believe it? Â 8.2 million people without power/300 million people in US = 2.7% 1/4 of country = 75 million people. Â ONE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
counterfeitfake Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 It's not like this thread was good to begin with. Just GGK ranting nonsensically about how he's decided the world doesn't make sense, while we can all see he is the one who doesn't make sense. Â Kinda reminds me of Gary actually. Less funny though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 It's not like this thread was good to begin with. Just GGK ranting nonsensically about how he's decided the world doesn't make sense, while we can all see he is the one who doesn't make sense. Â POTD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Putting everything underground would make them impervious to...to...flooding...and... Â ...damn. Â This is why we don't let massage therapists design our grid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 ONE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE. speaking of orders, make mine a super-size! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Hopefully ole leave-states-to-fend-for-themselves Mitt will get the Sandy ass fucking by northeast voters he so richly deserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Chris Christie is the Patron Saint of Fat Fucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) Chris Christie is the Patron Saint of Fat Fucks. Â NO SHIT? Earthshaking newz man. So sorry. When did ya lose the title Pat? Â Â Â edit: Street shout out to my bro Denali Dave. Dave, was Pat the Patron saint of fat fucks AND the queen of all bitches? or Just the first one? Edited October 31, 2012 by billcoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Well then, I oughta know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Don't have power? Â A. Get some money. B. Buy yourself into a better situation. Â Take some personal responsibility, people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Our volunteer church ladies will have the power back up just as soon as they can borrow a ladder. Â Hey, rent your own rescue chopper, pal! Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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