max Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 Hey why don't you provide some context here? I'm not votin', I'm just curious what the heck you're talking about! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summitchaserCJB Posted October 7, 2010 Author Share Posted October 7, 2010 (edited) Sure. I thought I might skew the data if I gave my opinion subtly through an explanation but I'll proceed. So ya, there have been some deaths on Lundin, despite its class 4 terrain. There are two memorial plaques. But there are also two "memorial" bolts that are old, decrepit, unnecessary and probably dangerous as well as very unsightly. The only reason- I believe- they haven't been removed is because they are "memorial bolts". That's fine- I guess- but the plaques are more than enough memorial. I think two huge bolts on 4th class terrain gives the wrong message. It's saying that if people make big mistakes that we will murder the impossible. I mean, why not do via ferrata on every route where people die. We shouldn't destroy the aesthetics of a route that is definitely protectable naturally because of one person's mistakes. I also understand the almost artistic message that the bolts portray but I think their time has passed. I'm definitely not taking away from the deaths. The memorial plaques are fine (but I don't advocate placing plaques on every route for every death). I mean, lets face it- sometimes people screw up in the mountains. Why make a mockery of our sport by protecting fourth class terrain. Honestly I felt almost offended when I third classed down past the bolts. I think it makes climbers look stupid. Anyways, that's it. Edited October 7, 2010 by summitchaserCJB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 Uh, you already let your opinion out of the bag by shouting out your thread title in ALL CAPS DUDE. Haven't seen 'em, so I don't really have an opinion. You didn't put an "I don't care" option, so I can't really vote in your poll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summitchaserCJB Posted October 7, 2010 Author Share Posted October 7, 2010 If you don't care, don't post. Otherwise it's spray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 I'm giving you feedback on both your thread title and your poll questions, not spraying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 shouldn't the title be "am i right or am i right" rite??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summitchaserCJB Posted October 7, 2010 Author Share Posted October 7, 2010 Thank you for the constructive criticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summitchaserCJB Posted October 7, 2010 Author Share Posted October 7, 2010 I was hoping to gauge the public opinion on this matter. It's always nice to use thought before action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 i see this a) b) or b) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summitchaserCJB Posted October 7, 2010 Author Share Posted October 7, 2010 Pink, sort of. I didn't want to exclude the newbs who "need" the bolts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el jefe Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 what does "natural protection" mean, anyway? do cams and stoppers grow on trees somewhere? my vote: who gives a fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirp Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pope Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 what does "natural protection" mean, anyway? do cams and stoppers grow on trees somewhere? my vote: who gives a fuck. Looooooooozer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindawg Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 If you don't care, don't post. Otherwise it's spray. Dude....first of all, why are you posting Lundin Peak jive in the rock climbing forum? Second of all, junior, show some respect. The moderator you are chastising with your "don't post" comment [in deconstructed form,= "shut up"] has probably been climbing more years than you've been alive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenderfour Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 Chopping bolts, especially bolts that have been around longer than you have been climbing and possibly longer than you have been alive is going to cause problems. Leave it be and stop trying to leave your mark on the NW climbing scene. I may have a different opinion if someone who knew what they are doing was asking the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 As of about 4 years ago, the two gigantic bolt hangers on the top of Lundin appeared to be home-made, aluminum, and weren't even polished out. I remember being so worried that they'd cut through webbing that we used the rock horn instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S1W Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 SC, Shouldn't you be happy that they're there? It must have been pretty cool to "3rd class down past them", realizing what a bad ass you are for not needing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el jefe Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 what does "natural protection" mean, anyway? do cams and stoppers grow on trees somewhere? my vote: who gives a fuck. Looooooooozer! a posting from pope himself! is the sleeping curmudgeon awake again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 This must be a Seattle thing. Never heard of Lundin Peak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 This must be a Seattle thing. Never heard of Lundin Peak. We can never forget that your ignorance is boundless, because of your frequent attempts to remind us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dberdinka Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 Those bolts should go. They are ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kukuzka1 Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 Isnt that a popular mountaineers[possibly others]guided outing? not that that makes them alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summitchaserCJB Posted October 7, 2010 Author Share Posted October 7, 2010 (edited) So basically no one wants them, right? Did I ever mention chopping? Take a chill pill, fenderfour. Edited October 7, 2010 by summitchaserCJB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hands Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 (edited) Chopping bolts, especially bolts that have been around longer than you have been climbing and possibly longer than you have been alive is going to cause problems. Leave it be and stop trying to leave your mark on the NW climbing scene. I may have a different opinion if someone who knew what they are doing was asking the question. Classic! Edited October 7, 2010 by Mr. Hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hands Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 Summitchaser... you really are a fucking IDIOT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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