KAB Posted May 8, 2010 Share Posted May 8, 2010 Was climbing at the LTW today and noticed large, fresh rock fall at the base of City Park & Godzilla. We spent some time wondering where it could have come from, since it is right at the base of the wall. Then we climbed Godzilla and it was pretty obvious where it came from... at least I think I remember there being a ledge above and left of the belay ledge for Godzilla, that you climbed up on to to start P2 of City Park. . . Well if I remember correctly then that higher ledge isn't there anymore... The start of P2 CP looks spicier now but I suspect it is still 10ish.. I took some pictures with my phone, and if I can figure out how to DL them I'll post.... I didn't see any other damage to routes on the LTW other than debris at the bottom. It's hard to imagine what knocked it off, because the ledge that now remains (level with the Godzilla belay ledge) is quite positive and large. Just an FYI. Happy climbing, go enjoy the nice weather, Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denalidevo Posted May 8, 2010 Share Posted May 8, 2010 Wow - if what you describe it true, then, well... wow. This is what it looked like in Feb when I climbed it. Could it be that the large block immediately left of the anchor fell off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAB Posted May 8, 2010 Author Share Posted May 8, 2010 I believe so. But It may have been even more rock than the obvious crack in your photo suggests. The belay ledge below the chains of City Park in your photo is now level with the "new" belay ledge that remains after the rockfall. It turns out that my phone is a crappy excuse for a camera, and this is the only decent photo I got today. It is of the new belay ledge.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denalidevo Posted May 8, 2010 Share Posted May 8, 2010 The angle in my photo is deceiving - that obvious crack is (I believe) level with the City Park/Godzilla belay ledge. Here's another pic for comparison: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimL Posted May 8, 2010 Share Posted May 8, 2010 Wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genepires Posted May 8, 2010 Share Posted May 8, 2010 does it seem that index has a higher rockfall activity than leavenworth or squamish? It seems like every year I read about some active rockfall at index, especially LTW. Maybe it is the lack of steepness that makes a rockfall at squamish or leavenworth a rare event. (or any other non alpine granite area) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted May 8, 2010 Share Posted May 8, 2010 It isn't the lack of steepness, it's that the Squamish rock is better quality and not quarried and blasted to shit (except along the highway, and that's where all the rockfalls are) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genepires Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 good point. Natural glaciers are good at removing the loose ones. I assumed that the most of the lower town wall was glacier carved also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 No, no, no Gene! Never concede a point to Dru, it just encourages him! The rock is more solid at Squamish due to the action of a mysterious fifth force centered there that draws things tightly together, a strong attraction similar to gravity but operating under different rules. Scientists have named this force "The Suck." It's entirely possible that surges in this force sucked that block right off, drawing it towards Squamish. Unfortunately, Canadian Immigration refused it entry at the border due to a felony indictment in 1873 and had it deported back to Index, where it was found dejected and slumped on the ground just the other day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 No, no, no Gene! Never concede a point to Dru, it just encourages him! The rock is more solid at Squamish due to the action of a mysterious fifth force centered there that draws things tightly together, a strong attraction similar to gravity but operating under different rules. Scientists have named this force "The Suck." It's entirely possible that surges in this force sucked that block right off, drawing it towards Squamish. Unfortunately, Canadian Immigration refused it entry at the border due to a felony indictment in 1873 and had it deported back to Index, where it was found dejected and slumped on the ground just the other day. OMG OW you are priceless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckaroo Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 It isn't the lack of steepness, it's that the Squamish rock is better quality and not quarried and blasted to shit (except along the highway, and that's where all the rockfalls are) How would you know, you've never been to Index have you? Not sure but the last time we discussed this you hadn't been there. The only place that's blasted is part of the LTW, and that's a minority fraction of the total routes, just like Squamish. route for route Index is just as good as Squamish, it's just smaller that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckaroo Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Glad no-one was below when it happened. I was there one time when a watermelon size rock came down and that was scary, can't imagine this. It must have been a huge rockfall from above. That block was really solid and like you say on a flat ledge. That should up the grade to the 2nd pitch cuz the crux was taking off from the ledge. Depends on the footholds but guessing it's going to be harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 The block could have been taken out by a hydraulic jack. A friend of mine did that often in Oregon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanb Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 So, any one re-free the pitch yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summitchaserCJB Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Who did the lie-back that dislodged the block? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkMcJizzy Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 good point. Natural glaciers are good at removing the loose ones. I assumed that the most of the lower town wall was glacier carved also. There is a major faulting and jointing system parallel to the face of the LTW. It is visible as the deep dirty chimney in the corner of the quarry. Tectonic features such as these develop other jointing surface parallel, as well as conjugate to these surfaces. The vertical joint at the failure is undoubtedly parallel to the major fault. The sub horizontal joint which was probably the failure point may be conjugate to these Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirp Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 All the memories that go with that chunk of stone I remember when the Princely Ambitions block took a dump, cest la vie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 It isn't the lack of steepness, it's that the Squamish rock is better quality and not quarried and blasted to shit (except along the highway, and that's where all the rockfalls are) so u have how many post? let me know when u get laid . ur a smart dude but dru give it up ya dumb fucking canuck 8D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 pink escaped from the asylum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancegranite Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Wow Chirp, great photo! Nature's reclaiming of the rock slide area is quite amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Even our rockslides are more awesome than yours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkMcJizzy Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 A scan of Brooks and Carlstads 1975 guidebook showing the large roof which comprised Quarry Right, which fell February 1982. The debri is shown in Chirps photograph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkMcJizzy Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 (edited) Even our rockslides are more awesome than yours Isn't Mount Saint Helens the largest known slope failure? And isn't that in Washington? Edited May 9, 2010 by MarkMcJizzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 ummm no, that would be saidmarreh, which was 100 times larger i think some of the olympus mons slides are even bigger than that though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crillz Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 So, any one re-free the pitch yet? It now has the same rating as Thin Fingers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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