glassgowkiss Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Seems to me you have to bag every peak along the way to claim a complete traverse. It seems to me a lot of Ptarnigam traverses are glorified glacier walks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Seems to me you don't understand what a traverse is. A traverse goes from one end to the other. Like a Garibaldi Neve traverse goes across the Neve. No peak bagging need be involved. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdk Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Seems to me you have to bag every peak along the way to claim a complete traverse. Â Oh trust me, I bagged every peak when i traversed your mom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassgowkiss Posted February 24, 2010 Author Share Posted February 24, 2010 so if i go on "Waddington Traverse" and skip the summits of Combatant or Serras, by following the glacier under it will count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 You can do a traverse without summitting. When I've done them I just say I traversed this area and I submitted peak x, y, and z. Â If you take your idea to an extreme then you can't claim a summit of Rainier till you climb every route including Willis Wall and the Liberty Cap ice cliff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 so if i go on "Waddington Traverse" and skip the summits of Combatant or Serras, by following the glacier under it will count? Â If you traverse the Waddington Range you don't climb any of those except maybe the NW peak. Especially of you are linking up the Pantheon-Wadd-Whitemantle. Â How many peaks did Edwards-Millar-Culbert-Rowat climb on the first "complete single-season Coast Mountains traverse"? Around a dozen. You see? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdk Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 GGK, perhaps you misunderstand exactly what the word "traverse" means. "Traverse" from Websters dictionary:  a : to go or travel across or over b : to move or pass along or through  Doesn't say nothing about summiting anything.  I assume you are referring to the recent ski traverse of the pickets? Do you think they are somehow abusing the word to claim a traverse because they didn't summit every single peak along the way?        Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdk Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 (edited) Edited February 24, 2010 by pdk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summitchaserCJB Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Well..I'd say it depends. Like for instance the Torre traverse is explicitly a traverse of the Torre mountains. So if you didn't summit that wouldn't really count. Feck- Summiting and traversing are different. Summiting is just traveling the top of something, and doesn't require use of all routes. If you say you are going to traverse a range of peaks some would assume you should actually do that, some not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassgowkiss Posted February 24, 2010 Author Share Posted February 24, 2010 No I am referring more to old tr's. You can't apply "traverse" from a dictionary to climbing definition, like you most likely won't find terms like red point, onsight, flash and such. So on the token of your thinking it's enough to traverse on the glacier from Cerro Stanhard to Cerro Torre to do Cerro Torre traverse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrogdortheBurninator Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 a range can have multiple possible traverses , so glacier traversing Stanhard to Torre is a traverse, but is not a repeat of the Garibotti/Haley traverse. I think there is also a contrast between a technical climbing traverse, and a skiing/hiking traverse. On a technical climbing traverse, it would seem appropriate to tag all summits. On a ski/hike, maybe not. Honesty in reporting is probably the most important part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdk Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Where do you think the climbing term "traverse" comes from? Someone made it up out of the blue? It comes from the actual real word. Just like "climb" and "summit" and "route" and "ledge" and "rock" and "boot" and "ridge" and ..... Â Does the word "rock" mean something different in climbing than it does in the rest of the English speaking world? Â Â Â Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassgowkiss Posted February 24, 2010 Author Share Posted February 24, 2010 Open a guidebook and friggin read about what FA of Ptarnigam Traverse was. If you claim the fastest or any ascent at all at least do a route that was originally done, not some glacier walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Open a guidebook and friggin read about what FA of Ptarnigam Traverse was. If you claim the fastest or any ascent at all at least do a route that was originally done, not some glacier walk. Â how dare you claim the hardest onsight when you are clipping preplaced quickdraws. real onsighting requires placing gear on lead... Â how dare you claim a successful ascent of zero gully on ben nevis when you never chopped steps like the original ascent team... Â fap fap fap blah blah blah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassgowkiss Posted February 24, 2010 Author Share Posted February 24, 2010 Where do you think the climbing term "traverse" comes from? Someone made it up out of the blue? It comes from the actual real word. Just like "climb" and "summit" and "route" and "ledge" and "rock" and "boot" and "ridge" and ..... Does the word "rock" mean something different in climbing than it does in the rest of the English speaking world? So where the Ptarnigam Traverse name comes from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassgowkiss Posted February 24, 2010 Author Share Posted February 24, 2010 Open a guidebook and friggin read about what FA of Ptarnigam Traverse was. If you claim the fastest or any ascent at all at least do a route that was originally done, not some glacier walk. Â how dare you claim the hardest onsight when you are clipping preplaced quickdraws. real onsighting requires placing gear on lead... Â how dare you claim a successful ascent of zero gully on ben nevis when you never chopped steps like the original ascent team... Â fap fap fap blah blah blah yeah, next time I climb to the top of Split Pillar I'll say I climb Grand Wall? Doesn't matter if you chop steps or front point- by saying you climbed Zero it means you started at the bottom, finished at the top (regardless of techniques used)- anything else is a false wankfest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancegranite Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Is this like when you skip the sit start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Just say summit ridge traverse if you mean going over all the peaks. "Traverse" is pretty general, trying to assign some set meaning to it seems pointless. Yes, most of us do the Ptarmigan Traverse as a glorified glacier walk. If I were to go out of my way to climb every peak and wanted to make note of that, I'd just say i did the "original ptarmigan traverse" or clarify that I summited every peak. CAll it what you want. If you are just looking to criticize somebody, come out and say it rather than beat around the bush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassgowkiss Posted February 24, 2010 Author Share Posted February 24, 2010 Just say summit ridge traverse if you mean going over all the peaks. "Traverse" is pretty general, trying to assign some set meaning to it seems pointless. Yes, most of us do the Ptarmigan Traverse as a glorified glacier walk. If I were to go out of my way to climb every peak and wanted to make note of that, I'd just say i did the "original ptarmigan traverse" or clarify that I summited every peak. CAll it what you want. If you are just looking to criticize somebody, come out and say it rather than beat around the bush. Dude, it's simple- Ptarnigam Traverse is what Ptarnigams did in the 1930's during the FA. It's like climbing to the top of Dolt Tower, raping down and claiming ascent of the Nose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdk Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Dude, it's simple- Ptarnigam Traverse is what Ptarnigams did in the 1930's during the FA. It's like climbing to the top of Dolt Tower, raping down and claiming ascent of the Nose. Â Its not a true traverse if you can't spell "Ptarmigan" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Agreed, but you're topic was more general, not just talking about the Ptarmigan Traverse. I guess the meaning of "ptarmigan traverse" has morphed through the years since nobody actually does the full original traverse. Language and meanings change, nothing new here. If you want to draw a distinction, do so. Trying to assign some set meaning to "traverse" in general is pointless is all I'm saying. Â If you have a problem with everybody putting the word "traverse" in their reports, just say that. I will be doing a U-district to fremont traverse home today, but I wont be summiting the true high points. I guess I'm just a poser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Under The Gun is a route on the Grand Wall. If I climb Under The Gun, I have climbed the Grand Wall but I haven't climbed the Grand Wall. Ooooh, semantics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassgowkiss Posted February 24, 2010 Author Share Posted February 24, 2010 check the spelling for wypierdalaj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Bob is hoping for a full traverse starting at his ass and ending in his mouth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdk Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 check the spelling for wypierdalaj. Â My personal favorite is #3.... Â wypierdalaj: Â Â Polish word for "get lost", but much more vulgar (more like "get the fuck out of here!"). Also used as "let's go" especially among young people. 1.Wypierdalaj stad chamie! 1.Get lost(You) jerk! 2.Jak nie masz kasy to wypierdalaj! 2.If You don't have money, then get the fuck out of here! 3.Nudno tu. Wypierdalamy! 3.It's boring here. Let's go (somewhere else). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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