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AARON1

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Mitch,

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This (parking a 1/4 mile away)puts you in the non-voting category. You have not voted for the fee program but have not voted against it either.

The way I look at it, if I don't pay, I'm not supporting it. The bottom line is the dollars. When those who want The Pass look at how much they take in, it makes a difference if it is a little or a lot. At some point they would say, "This isn't worth it. We aren't pulling in enough."

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What if you are in my family's situation: My wife and I work opposite work schedules because we can't afford to pay for day care for out 5-year old. To take him camping we have to take two cars because of the work schedule thing. ($11/car/night.) If I want to take him for a scenic hike it costs $5/visit to a trailhead or $35/year. Should my 5-year old have to walk an extra 1/4-mile?

I am in your family's situation, except I've got two kids, 4 and 2 years. I either take them hiking where I don't have to pay, or, as I said, I take the chance. Either way, I don't pay. Show me where to vote 'no', and I'll vote 'no', (other than writing letters to congressfolk and not paying which I already do.)

If your idea of not voting is just intentionally getting a ticket each time and not paying it, I can't afford that.

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And what about the hassels and inconvenience to use something that is being "managed in the public trust" and is mine to begin with? The forest service does not own the land. It is yours and mine. Do you really want more services provided at the expence of paying for all use? Another paved campsite? A solar powered water pump? More signage to tell you where to play for how many $?

 

I want less services from the FS.

Especially when I have to bend over to get serviced.

Your preaching to the choir here.

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Originally posted by Fence Sitter:

bulldyke is not offensive unless you are one...but hey who's gonna admit that?
[Roll Eyes]

Umm.....not necessarily. Honestly the first time I saw the term on the board it was directed at me. I knew it was intended as an ephitet, but thought maybe it was more of a 'descriptive' term, like 'brunette' or 'drag queen.' So, I went to my source for this kind of information, the women I work with. Lots of them go to the 'other church', so to speak, and I figured they'd know better than me about whether it was 'descriptive' or 'really bad.'

 

They said it was in the latter category. Not cool, not acceptable. Can't you folks think of another insult?

 

To reiterate, I am not a moderator on any bbs. Seems somewhat unnecessary to call me names for objecting. Remember when some of the posters objected to references about child rape? Well, everyone has their limits, it seems.

 

I feel that not paying for a parking pass, but having one through forgery or other means, is a reasonable way to deal with the whole parking pass sitchmo. Honestly if I had enough time to wage war by fighting every ticket in court, well, I'd do something huge with the time. sometimes you've got to pick your battles. Write your congressperson.

 

Flame suit on, I imagine I'm really going to get it now. [Frown]

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are you serious?!?!?! you are gonna ask someone else if you think a word is bad or not? c'mon aren't you people supposed to be liberated? figure it out. you spout off all this pseudo-intellectual trite crap, and you are telling me you have to ask other people to formulate an opinion for you... [MR T]

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wassamatta allisun too PC to even hear the word bulldyke yet you can call other female climbers degrading names like B!TCH and WH@RE? its funny how you feminists love to be free when you are getting called names, but when a guy is buying you dinner... its flash back to 1955...interesting [Roll Eyes]

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bulldyke, bulldyke, bulldyke, yep I like the sound of that, bulldyke!!!!!!!

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"websters says the bulldyke means an agressivly masculine lesbian, OFTEN used disparagingly... doesn't say that it HAS to mean anything bad"

 

that was passed on from a "concerned citizen" they wish to reserve their anonymity as they have an election comming up shortly and wish to avoid and public confrontation with bul...well i'll just stop there...

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Allison:

 

This user was last seen...

08-31-2002 05:29 PM Topic: NW FOREST PASS in forum Newbies

 

i know you are reading this...what's the matter, are you calling your lesban friends right now to ask what you should think about this and possibly ask for a few retorts? [big Grin]

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I don't recall ever having called any female posters either of those names. It's not my style. Not a name caller.

 

Had to get clarification from lesbian women. Not a lesbian woman myself, try to be sensitive. I think there are a lot of things like this. It wouldn't particularly offend me if someone called me the 'N' word, but I know enough not to call people this.

 

If you're not sure if 'bulldyke' is offensive, I encourage you to call evey woman you know that for one whole day. That might give you a sense of whether or not it is.

 

Heck in my household I was never exposed to a lot of sort of colorful language, for years I thought the bad Jewish word was 'Kite.'

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and i never called you a lesbian...just a bulldyke

 

and i know you called some posters those derogatory names...i remember it...i could look if it was really important to you...

 

[ 08-31-2002, 05:41 PM: Message edited by: Fence Sitter ]

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quote:

Originally posted by allison:

No, it's because I was not exposed to such language when I was a kid.

 

My parent were hippies and occasionally swore, but that's about it.

 

Calling me a lesbian would be about as accurate as calling me a blonde. It's not offensive, merely inaccurate.

 

Come on, you know better!

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quote:

Originally posted by Fence Sitter:

and i didn't call you a lesbian you smelly hippie
[Moon]
learn to read you illiterate hairy armed bra-burning femmie

OK, you got me wondering, so I did a little research on the board. I haven't called anyone any names, so get over it. I didn't think so.

 

I also discovered that we've been through this before. I've objected to this term and been flamed to kingdom come for it. Must have slipped my mind.

 

Fence: If you think I am any of the things you called me, you obviously haven't met me.

 

I'm sort of hoping you guys have been so nasty that the mods will just pull this pig of a thread. I've asked nicely that the term not be used. You've refused and retaliated with a lot of name-calling. What then, is the point?

 

Somehow I suspect that our former scion of brilliance Crazy Polish Bob may be back. How nice for us.

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you WISH this was crazypolichbob...he hates everyone indescrimantely....i just hate you...so i can concentrate all my hippie hating powers on you and your bulldyke kind... bubye ma'am see ya at the pubs...(cause oviously i wont find you at the crags) [Wink]

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mista moderata! mista moderata! pull the thread they were mean and they called me a name! wow! i haven't heard them tactics since...lets see here...kindergarden? get a life woman...you are probably twice my age and you need 6 bulldykes and 2 moderators to fight your battles for you...pathetic... [Roll Eyes]

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No, you won't see me at the crags this weekend. I've been out climbing or hiking every non-working weekend since late March.

 

It's not you who I think is CPB.

 

Not quite twice your age, I believe you are...20?

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no hard feelins chica... just bored waiting for my buddies to get here to help me move...let me know if you want to head to squamish cause i am moving up there...hasta! [big Drink]

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