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Coakley's rejection is the start, and a wake up call to dems that will predictably be ignored.

 

Obama screwed canadates in New Jersey, Virginia, and now Massachusetts just by showing up.

 

All you libtards go ahead and keep living in denial. Go ahead and keep blaming Bush for all the problems in the world.

 

The revolution has begun! I can't wait until November when the dems get their asses handed to them in the mid-term elections.

 

God Bless America!!!

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I will continue to blame Bush (and Lars) for the problems we have. After all, he had two terms to royally fuck shit up to the point that no one could fix shit in ONE YEAR in office. i'm not defending the democrats, they haven't done shit. but at least they haven't fucked shit up as bad as bush did. but obviously this is a referendum on getting shit done, and the democraps haven't.

 

in one year from now, if the republicunts haven't done shit either...where will you stand then?

 

 

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Lars was remarkably silent when caribou barbie campaigned for Doug Hoffman in New York, and the Angry Confused White Party lost a seat they'd held since the Civil War. :argue:

 

 

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I will still stand with the majority of Americans who don't want obamacare forced on them by arrogant politicians who think only of their own ambitions while they bankrupt this great country of ours.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/10/business/economy/10leonhardt.html

 

the real story is that the Bush administration took a surplus and turned it into MASSIVE deficit. Obama and his "majority" in congress haven't done shit to fix it. obviously we need to fix it. at this point our option is to turn to the party that created it to fix it, and thats how people voted this time around.

 

NOW FIX IT BITCH!

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Coakley's rejection is the start, and a wake up call to dems that will predictably be ignored.

 

Most likely.

 

 

All you libtards go ahead and keep living in denial. Go ahead and keep blaming Bush for all the problems in the world.

 

Every problem during the Bush years was blamed on Clinton; if/when Obama goes down in 2012, the GOP will spend their entire term blaming Obama. Politics as usual. :yawn:

 

The revolution has begun! I can't wait until November when the dems get their asses handed to them in the mid-term elections.

 

...so that we can continue the cycle of hyper partisan politics implemented by corrupt politicians who all work for the same moneyed interests. Oh, but at least the empty promises and talk they offer will be spoken in a language you like to hear.

 

Oh, and you'll be voting for CHANGE! How gay is that? Remember, hope and change are for the naive! :rolleyes:

 

God Bless America!!!

 

Yes, indeed. Gotta love a country that:

 

 

1) Is acrimonious and shocked that the new president is actually trying to do the things he campaigned and was elected on. :eek: "That's not what we voted for!" :shock: (In fact, he campaigned on the public health option which, after public outcry, he abandoned- so much like the Nazis and Stalin, I can't tell the difference...).

 

2) Has lost patience after 12 months because the new administration hasn't fixed the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. What's taking so long? When will we be back to the days of unlimited credit, consumerism, manufacturing nothing except artificial wealth that we pass off on paper to the next sucker, and living off the backs of the rest of the world by way of the "free" market and the worldwide presence of our military?

 

3) Is voting for the minority party on the basis of populist anger, only after which time they will ask if said party actually has any ideas whatsoever apart from "taking back America".

 

Well hey, at least the GOP isn't power hungry...!

 

4) Continues to vacillate back and forth across the political spectrum by mindless enthrallment with slogans, ideology, and a belief that "this time, it'll be different!"

 

USA! USA!! USA!!!

 

 

 

 

 

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Oh, and, I think Obama hasn't done jack shit. I'm not impressed, or surprised. Disappointed? Yes. Unlike some, I'm not interested in seeing America fail.

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The GOP should tread lightly here, as they may actually find themselves in some kind of position of power and actually might have to, you know, like...govern. That should be fun considering that the financial meltdown, the New Depression, and their electoral losses last year have prompted exactly ZERO rethinking on their part in terms of what policies might help extricate the majority of people from the morass the Neocons and Neoliberals created. Since they've got no new ideas, they'll trot out the old ones. If they do end up anywhere close to the levers of power in the near term, we can expect to hear arguments that "we didn't go far enough" with deregulation, privatization, global war, and the country will continue sliding towards something that more closely resembles Mexico in its social outlook than the post-WWII golden years. Ole'!

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lars, are you so retarded to think you stupid fucks actually want to be back in charge? arent' you having entirely too much fun being the pricks on the outside?

 

you know how the cycle works - you get a couple years till it's your turn to be obdurant dipshits - here it comes!

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/10/business/economy/10leonhardt.html

 

the real story is that the Bush administration took a surplus and turned it into MASSIVE deficit. Obama and his "majority" in congress haven't done shit to fix it. obviously we need to fix it. at this point our option is to turn to the party that created it to fix it, and thats how people voted this time around.

 

NOW FIX IT BITCH!

 

Uh, yeah, lots of luck with that.... What part of 'Republicans don't care about ordinary working people' don't you understand? Plenty of congressional Democrats don't either, as we've seen demonstrated in this session of congress. But trusting Republicans to fix anything other than sweet deals for themselves and corporate fat cats, while mouthing inane platitudes (Scott Brown's campaign slogan "This is about America') about how they care about the working people, is sheer insanity. Oh, it's about America,all right, as in who gets to own and run it for their own profit.

 

Evidently no one has learned a thing from the past eight years, or from any previous Republican administration going back to Reagan. Reagan presided over the largest transfer of wealth from the lower and middle class to the upper 1 or 2 %, in the history of the country to that time. Subsequent Republican administrations have only ramped up the theft of the public treasury and the spilling of innocent blood for profit. Bush has simply been the most blatant. Republicans willingly and gladly helped to break the economy of this country and the entire planet, dismantled the social safety net of some 60 years' standing, and sent thousands to be killed and maimed for an utterly useless war, gave 700 billion of our money to the very people who caused the financial meltdown, with no oversight on where or how those funds would be used-- and now you want them to fix it. HELLOOO!!! THEY DON'T CARE!!! THEY NEVER HAVE, AND NEVER WILL!!

 

Republican politicians do not care about you or me, we're not even on their radar screen. They don't care about millions of people thrown out of work, out of their homes, living in their cars and on the streets. They don't care about hunger, disease, lack of education or medical care for anyone but themselves and their own privileged class. They don't care about whether Obama's health care plan was too expensive, they just wanted it to fail, period, and to hell with the almost 50 million of us who suffer for lack of adequate health care. The Teabaggers are just another clever corporate-funded phony"grassroots" pile of bullshit, ridiculous(yet very sly) bellyaching about "big government" health care, when health care is ALREADY controlled by an immense conglomerate consortium of people WHO NOBODY ELECTED!!!! that is MANY times bigger than the government itself. Ohhh, poor struggwing wittle tiny tender-hearted insuwance companies, dey just trying so hard to help, but nobody want to bewieve dem... :rolleyes:

 

What Republicans have shown beyond all doubt, by standing united in opposition to every last single thing Obama has attempted to do, is not that they have a better idea, or that they are in any way some kind of "loyal opposition" trying to save the country from disaster, but that they desire nothing more than to see to it that Obama fails, even if it means shoveling the country right down the drain to do it. The only "fix" there is the huge one we're all in-- if you think THIS recession was bad, you ain't seen nothin' yet. Go ahead, vote Republican, and see an even worse replay of the past eight years. It'll make "Groundhog Day" the national byword.

 

Expecting Republicans to even be interested in what used to be called "the common good" is like expecting a tiger to let the lamb go without harm. Ain't gonna happen, folks, ain't never gonna happen. Actually, if anyone thinks Republicans give a shit-they're right--that's exactly what you'll get from Republicans--SHIT, and plenty of it.

 

 

 

 

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Coakley's rejection is the start, and a wake up call to dems that will predictably be ignored.

 

Most likely.

 

 

All you libtards go ahead and keep living in denial. Go ahead and keep blaming Bush for all the problems in the world.

 

Every problem during the Bush years was blamed on Clinton; if/when Obama goes down in 2012, the GOP will spend their entire term blaming Obama. Politics as usual. :yawn:

 

The revolution has begun! I can't wait until November when the dems get their asses handed to them in the mid-term elections.

 

...so that we can continue the cycle of hyper partisan politics implemented by corrupt politicians who all work for the same moneyed interests. Oh, but at least the empty promises and talk they offer will be spoken in a language you like to hear.

 

Oh, and you'll be voting for CHANGE! How gay is that? Remember, hope and change are for the naive! :rolleyes:

 

God Bless America!!!

 

Yes, indeed. Gotta love a country that:

 

 

1) Is acrimonious and shocked that the new president is actually trying to do the things he campaigned and was elected on. :eek: "That's not what we voted for!" :shock: (In fact, he campaigned on the public health option which, after public outcry, he abandoned- so much like the Nazis and Stalin, I can't tell the difference...).

 

2) Has lost patience after 12 months because the new administration hasn't fixed the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. What's taking so long? When will we be back to the days of unlimited credit, consumerism, manufacturing nothing except artificial wealth that we pass off on paper to the next sucker, and living off the backs of the rest of the world by way of the "free" market and the worldwide presence of our military?

 

3) Is voting for the minority party on the basis of populist anger, only after which time they will ask if said party actually has any ideas whatsoever apart from "taking back America".

 

Well hey, at least the GOP isn't power hungry...!

 

4) Continues to vacillate back and forth across the political spectrum by mindless enthrallment with slogans, ideology, and a belief that "this time, it'll be different!"

 

USA! USA!! USA!!!

 

 

 

 

 

@2:

 

A) Manufacturing output has been trending up steadily in the US - with the usual cyclical fluctuations - since forever. There's a difference between output and employment. Same situation as we have in agriculture. Fewer farmers, more output. Our employment trends aren't appreciably different from the rest of the first world in this regard, even those that attempt to insulate their industries from competition even more aggressively than the US does.

 

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We still make stuff. There's just less of us doing it.

 

 

B) Do you really think that millitary expenditures are a net economic plus for the US? Most of the historical evidence from Britain and elsewhere indicates that occupying foreign countries - for whatever purpose - results in economic costs that outweigh the benefits. Usually by a considerable margin.

 

I don't think that there's evidence to support the claim that technology transfers from millitary R&D are a net economic positive either. People find uses for stuff that the millitary invents, but that doesn't demonstrate that those same assets wouldn't have found a more productive use elsewhere if they hadn't been diverted and funneled through the Pentagon.

 

My own conclusion is that the only unambiguous net economic benefit that's accrued to anyone as a consequence of US millitary expenditures have been those societies that became de-facto protectorates and were free to use money that they might have had to spend arming and defending themselves for other purposes.

 

C) How - exactly - are we living off the backs of the rest of the world? They seem quite eager to voluntarily sell us the stuff that they're good at producing when we allow them to do so, and also seem to enjoy using the proceeds to buy the stuff that we're good at producing.

 

Does that analysis include the value of the institutional framework like the UN, WHO, public and private contributions to foreign aid, vaccination campaigns, etc, etc, etc, etc.

 

Seems like the logical correlate of this claim is that the rest of the world would be better off if we'd kept our goods, our dollars, our ideas, and our military locked away from them. Is that really what you believe, or did you mean something else?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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This was Ted Kennedy's seat. In Massachusetts. 70% registered D's. Wow. This doesn't look good for Obama's agenda. I guess this is what happens when a president campaigns on a promise of open government--and then makes secret dirty closed-door backroom deals with a congress that absolutely wreaks. Big-gov health care "reform" is now dead. See you in the middle! :wave:

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/10/business/economy/10leonhardt.html

 

the real story is that the Bush administration took a surplus and turned it into MASSIVE deficit. Obama and his "majority" in congress haven't done shit to fix it. obviously we need to fix it. at this point our option is to turn to the party that created it to fix it, and thats how people voted this time around.

 

NOW FIX IT BITCH!

 

Uh, yeah, lots of luck with that.... What part of 'Republicans don't care about ordinary working people' don't you understand? Plenty of congressional Democrats don't either, as we've seen demonstrated in this session of congress. But trusting Republicans to fix anything other than sweet deals for themselves and corporate fat cats, while mouthing inane platitudes (Scott Brown's campaign slogan "This is about America') about how they care about the working people, is sheer insanity. Oh, it's about America,all right, as in who gets to own and run it for their own profit.

 

Evidently no one has learned a thing from the past eight years, or from any previous Republican administration going back to Reagan. Reagan presided over the largest transfer of wealth from the lower and middle class to the upper 1 or 2 %, in the history of the country to that time. Subsequent Republican administrations have only ramped up the theft of the public treasury and the spilling of innocent blood for profit. Bush has simply been the most blatant. Republicans willingly and gladly helped to break the economy of this country and the entire planet, dismantled the social safety net of some 60 years' standing, and sent thousands to be killed and maimed for an utterly useless war, gave 700 billion of our money to the very people who caused the financial meltdown, with no oversight on where or how those funds would be used-- and now you want them to fix it. HELLOOO!!! THEY DON'T CARE!!! THEY NEVER HAVE, AND NEVER WILL!!

 

Republican politicians do not care about you or me, we're not even on their radar screen. They don't care about millions of people thrown out of work, out of their homes, living in their cars and on the streets. They don't care about hunger, disease, lack of education or medical care for anyone but themselves and their own privileged class. They don't care about whether Obama's health care plan was too expensive, they just wanted it to fail, period, and to hell with the almost 50 million of us who suffer for lack of adequate health care. The Teabaggers are just another clever corporate-funded phony"grassroots" pile of bullshit, ridiculous(yet very sly) bellyaching about "big government" health care, when health care is ALREADY controlled by an immense conglomerate consortium of people WHO NOBODY ELECTED!!!! that is MANY times bigger than the government itself. Ohhh, poor struggwing wittle tiny tender-hearted insuwance companies, dey just trying so hard to help, but nobody want to bewieve dem... :rolleyes:

 

What Republicans have shown beyond all doubt, by standing united in opposition to every last single thing Obama has attempted to do, is not that they have a better idea, or that they are in any way some kind of "loyal opposition" trying to save the country from disaster, but that they desire nothing more than to see to it that Obama fails, even if it means shoveling the country right down the drain to do it. The only "fix" there is the huge one we're all in-- if you think THIS recession was bad, you ain't seen nothin' yet. Go ahead, vote Republican, and see an even worse replay of the past eight years. It'll make "Groundhog Day" the national byword.

 

Expecting Republicans to even be interested in what used to be called "the common good" is like expecting a tiger to let the lamb go without harm. Ain't gonna happen, folks, ain't never gonna happen. Actually, if anyone thinks Republicans give a shit-they're right--that's exactly what you'll get from Republicans--SHIT, and plenty of it.

 

 

 

 

Not having the votes necessary to get a bill out of committee and onto the floor for a vote is one thing, not having a plan is another.

 

You can access the text of the bill that the Republicans sponsored in June of last year by clicking on the text below.

 

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3400/text

 

PS - I think that Dick Cheney would learn to care about you if he got to know you. George Bush too. sickie

 

 

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God Bless America!!!

Hopefully we won't be blessed like the eight year f#cking we got the last time the repubs had office.

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God Bless America!!!

Hopefully we won't be blessed like the eight year f#cking we got the last time the repubs had office.

 

Seems like a strange sentiment from a Democrat when you've got the Whitehouse and substantial majorities in both houses of Congress.

 

If you are in favor of a legislative agenda that can't be enacted under these conditions, it might be time to accept that fact that you are in favor of an agenda that can't be enacted anytime, by any Congress. At least not under any conditions that are actually likely to occur.

 

 

 

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We still make stuff. There's just less of us doing it.

 

And more of the Indians and Chinese doing it for us?

And anyway, are you trying to say that fewer jobs is a good thing? Well I suppose for the employers, yes, it could be, if they found cheaper labor somewhere else.

 

B) Do you really think that millitary expenditures are a net economic plus for the US?

 

No. That part of the post was called "sarcasm"...

 

C) How - exactly - are we living off the backs of the rest of the world? They seem quite eager to voluntarily sell us the stuff that they're good at producing when we allow them to do so,

 

Read: goods produced by desperately poor workers working for near slave wages in banana republics where the only people getting rich are despots. Oh and oil, which requires making cozy deals with some of the worst violators of human rights imaginable.

 

 

 

and also seem to enjoy using the proceeds to buy the stuff that we're good at producing.

 

 

Like limos for Saudi sheikhs and extra accessories for El Presidente's golden palace, and more jack booted police to stomp on the necks of the populace that dares to speak up.

 

But hey, it works good for us, America first, right?

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See you in the middle! :wave:

 

Obama could propose Reaganomics, a full ban on all abortion, state-mandated Creationism in all public schools, and a full scale invasion of Iran, and he would still be met with a filibuster.

 

The middle? :lmao:

More like the middle of gridlock. The GOP has one goal and one only: obstruction followed by a return to power.

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We still make stuff. There's just less of us doing it.

 

And more of the Indians and Chinese doing it for us?

And anyway, are you trying to say that fewer jobs is a good thing? Well I suppose for the employers, yes, it could be, if they found cheaper labor somewhere else.

 

 

We are going to be the informational, designer, work from home, Ebay entrepreneural, synergistically networked, innovating, ideational, paradigm shifting creative class strata of the new global economy! Oh wait...FUCK! All that already got outsourced...Yep, there's too many of us.

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More like the middle of gridlock.

 

If they're busy fucking each other, they won't have time to fuck with us. Gridlock = :tup::tup: It's what this November is all about.

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Wow. This doesn't look good for Obama's agenda.

 

Oh hi! :wave: More serious political insight from a fella who was remarkably silent after Phailin helped lose Doug Hoffman's seat in New York.

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More like the middle of gridlock.

 

If they're busy fucking with each other, they won't have time to fuck with us. Gridlock = :tup::tup:

 

I'm worried less about the politicians and more about who owns them. And by it way- it ain't us!

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