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Reflecting on the recent Alan Watts post, and having reviewed OW's intervention, one can only infer that Peter Puget's Rock Climbing Forum requires a new title: the Sport Climbing Forum. Otherwise, why shouldn't a FULL discussion of the impact of Alan's influence on rock climbing be allowed in a "rock climbing" forum? While Raindawg and I directed our comments squarely on topic, the original thread (even OW's edited version) includes personal attacks and speculation about the motivations of anybody who would suggest sport climbing hasn't been a positive development. Seriously, if discussion of the evils of sport climbing is going to be taboo (even in a thread where sport climbing's Godfather is profiled), how can we continue to call PP's forum "the rock climbing forum?"

 

While we're at it, perhaps OW would consider changing his name to Cave Man, a title which would accuratley reflect how he caved in to the demands of those who demanded our silencing.

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Otherwise, why shouldn't a FULL discussion of the impact of Alan's influence on rock climbing be allowed in a "rock climbing" forum? While Raindawg and I directed our comments squarely on topic, the original thread (even OW's edited version) includes personal attacks and speculation about the motivations of anybody who would suggest sport climbing hasn't been a positive development. Seriously, if discussion of the evils of sport climbing is going to be taboo (even in a thread where sport climbing's Godfather is profiled), how can we continue to call PP's forum "the rock climbing forum?"

 

 

 

I am going to have to agree with Pope on this one. As much as it pains me…..he is money on this. I disagree about sport climbing and bolts with Raindawg and Pope….but I have to give credit where credit is due. In all fairness……why didn’t the moderators just remove the lame pictures of clowns and let the discussion about sport climbing and how it has done good or bad for the sport continue?

To all the naysayers…..if you don’t like the discussion….dont read it….and certainly do not post, but to torpedo / request the mods to screw with the thread…is lame.

 

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YO POOP! :fahq:

 

The reason it was not taken to the rock climbing forum was as stevetimetravir said that would be where you get your rocks off, and his post was sooo right on about you and to me would include raindawg, for that matter you don’t like to be put in spray because you don’t want to discuss your BS where it belongs, real climbers that actually still climb might miss your chest beating use'ta climb rants and raves.

POPE you sir belong in spray You sir bring nothing to the table as far as climbing in the NW goes.

You sir and raindawg, actually cost the free flow of beta on this site and any climber pull’n down in the NW knows this to be true.

To rant about your personal agenda on Watt’s tread was just wrong!

It would seem that Offwhite is the only one around here that has a pair!

 

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there can only ever by one cave man, and he had to be killed so that we could live :)

 

it's impossible to have a conversation w/ a zealot - it can only turn into tragedy or comedy, both of which belong in spray - in fact, wtf are YOU saying kev, you think EVERYTHING belongs here!

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why shouldn't a FULL discussion of the impact of Alan's influence on rock climbing be allowed in a "rock climbing" forum?

 

discuss |disˈkəs|

verb [ trans. ]

• talk or write about (a topic) in detail, taking into account different ideas and opinions

 

rant |rant|

verb [ intrans. ]

speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way : she was still ranting on about the unfairness of it all.

noun

a spell of ranting; a tirade : his rants against organized religion.

PHRASES

rant and rave: shout and complain angrily and at length.

 

 

 

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Pope, you haven't been "silenced." At least four posts of yours remain in the thread, including "Thanks for nothing Mr. Watts." Your and Raindawg's position is more than ably expressed there, all out of proportion to the actual percentage of climbers your extreme position represents.

 

Not only that, everything you wrote that was cut can be found in the ongoing "Sport vs Trad" thread right here in Spray. You've been redirected, not "silenced." I'm a traffic cop, not the CIA.

 

Full discussion? We can't attempt any such thing without you and Raindawg, insistent quasi-anonymous internet cranks that you are, showing up to rant from your soapbox. Its gotten to the point that everyone knows what's going to happen anytime the subject of sport climbing comes up, much to the detriment of adult conversation and the reputation of this website. You are granted far more consideration than your behavior merits.

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off, i could have used you a few times when i was out drinking and playing nascar....

 

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it's impossible to have a conversation w/ a zealot - it can only turn into tragedy or comedy, both of which belong in spray

 

Pope, just go back and review the entire thread called "Sport vs Trad which I linked. http://cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/896687/Sport_vs_Trad#Post896687 There are 1300 mostly worthless posts on this very subject. You and Raindawg in particular sprayed hard on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and were unable to convert anyone. Everyone who posted to that thread showed up with a existing opinion and they all got expressed multiple times. Overwhelmingly almost everyone is saying you guys are full of beans and there is a multitude of reasons why.

 

So for you to show up and start pissing on Alan's informational thread and start kicking him in the balls over your personal failed agenda moments after he shows up to say hi and give us some info shows an huge lack of class. Had you done that in person around a campfire, you would have been bitch slapped and had your ass kicked. Not by Alan cause he's too damn nice. By all of Alan's many, many friends. For that kind of crap you pulled won't just chase off Alan, but most sane and rational climbers, some that are more old school and pure than you, who are thinking of posting. In the end, those kinds of actions are not just immature, but very destructive to the normal folks who like to come here. You and Don need to review what it already says on the thread in the header right under where it says

ROCK CLIMBING FORUM: "Come Join Peter Puget for inspiring discussions on the joys of cragging in a spray free zone. "

 

In case you aren't aware, no one - I mean no on, finds your incessant droning on this subject inspiring, and everyone can agree, as this thread of hundreds of angry contentious posts on this very subject attests to the sprayness of the subject.

 

Now you want to whine about it and restart it, and are upset that you can't have another 1300 post angry divisive identical topic right where the rest of us want to see inspiring discussions on the joys of cragging in a spray free zone. "[/i]. Take it to spray, and refire up the existing thread on this very subject.

 

Thanks OW for moving it!

 

..and thanks for that pic pink, it's why I show up here. Love the Willans harness there OW, were you getting off the stone, heading up or just camping next to the road?

 

I'll add one of Ujahn last month in Red Rocks belaying Bryan up some 1200 foot long crack route. Josephs route is just left there.

Resized_Ujahn_with_an_ouie.jpg

Check out the blood on the fingers there...lol

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there can only ever by one cave man, and he had to be killed so that we could live :)

 

it's impossible to have a conversation w/ a zealot - it can only turn into tragedy or comedy, both of which belong in spray - in fact, wtf are YOU saying kev, you think EVERYTHING belongs here!

 

 

well ivan i think u would like to see gun's banned, RIGHT???? pope and dawg would like to see bolts banned.

 

alan watts is like the sam colt of climbing... :)

 

don't bring ur drills to town homeboy :pagetop:

 

 

 

 

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there can only ever by one cave man, and he had to be killed so that we could live :)

 

it's impossible to have a conversation w/ a zealot - it can only turn into tragedy or comedy, both of which belong in spray - in fact, wtf are YOU saying kev, you think EVERYTHING belongs here!

 

 

well ivan i think u would like to see gun's banned, RIGHT???? pope and dawg would like to see bolts banned.

 

alan watts is like the sam colt of climbing... :)

 

don't bring ur drills to town homeboy :pagetop:

 

 

 

ban guns? naw. a nice idea maybe but impossible. what i'd like is the 2nd amendment to be interpreted to include only weapons technology dating to the 18th century. oughta make school shootings a bit more comical and a little less tragic :)

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off, i could have used you a few times when i was out drinking and playing nascar....

 

Hippy.jpg

 

Playing Nascar? More like playing Michael Jackson. Sicko

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there can only ever by one cave man, and he had to be killed so that we could live :)

 

it's impossible to have a conversation w/ a zealot - it can only turn into tragedy or comedy, both of which belong in spray - in fact, wtf are YOU saying kev, you think EVERYTHING belongs here!

 

 

well ivan i think u would like to see gun's banned, RIGHT???? pope and dawg would like to see bolts banned.

 

alan watts is like the sam colt of climbing... :)

 

don't bring ur drills to town homeboy :pagetop:

 

Banned? Wrong.

HEAVILY RESTRAINED? Yes, in the sense they should be rare rather than ubiquitous and the exception, rather than the rule or norm.

 

Alan Watts ain't my hero, but he certainly takes his place in climbing history!

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off, i could have used you a few times when i was out drinking and playing nascar....

 

Hippy.jpg

 

Playing Nascar? More like playing Michael Jackson. Sicko

 

 

:lmao:

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ban guns? naw. a nice idea maybe but impossible. what i'd like is the 2nd amendment to be interpreted to include only weapons technology dating to the 18th century. oughta make school shootings a bit more comical and a little less tragic :)

 

I think the 17th century would be better. If punk kids want to pull a drive-by make them do it with a mace and a battle axe.

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Can we instead debate the wrongful obsolescence of 8 track tapes,TAB cola, the AMC Gremlin, analog television or BETA recordings?

 

or beer can pull tabs... we have been deprived of making cool trinkets out of these for far too long!

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Can we instead debate the wrongful obsolescence of 8 track tapes,TAB cola, the AMC Gremlin, analog television or BETA recordings?

 

or beer can pull tabs... we have been deprived of making cool trinkets out of these for far too long!

 

pull tabs are still around in a few corners of the world; so is TAB

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Reflecting on the recent Alan Watts post, and having reviewed OW's intervention, one can only infer that Peter Puget's Rock Climbing Forum requires a new title: the Sport Climbing Forum. Otherwise, why shouldn't a FULL discussion of the impact of Alan's influence on rock climbing be allowed in a "rock climbing" forum?

 

if i owned this website, you and dwayner would have had your very own forum a hell of a long time ago. you could have named it anything you want-get creative here-and there you would have gone on and on about your pet peeves about sportos and blah blah blah.

i would never have put up with your insistent whining on every thread for as long as the owners of this site have. if you didn't stay in your forum, then it's B-BYE!

 

as things are, you should be hella greatful that you both haven't been 86'd for your insistence on being such incessant pests. which is what you are. pests.

 

wah wah wah cuz your posts got moved? what a sense of entitlement!

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i was clearly born in the wrong damn decade :)

 

true dat, but its possible you were born in the wrong century as well.

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i was clearly born in the wrong damn decade :)

pinxie is not that old...he's just ghey with bad taste...

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