Fairweather Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 well, if you are truly interested in the details of the studies you'll have to read the publications beyond the press article that mentions Warren's 30 year academic career on this very topic. Academics are always so in touch with the average man Who needs academics when we have the likes of Joe the Plumber, eh? You, sir, are no academic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 (edited) It's not about costs, or wait times--or even equality of outcomes. It's about freedom. There are reasons we aren't them. You should read up. WTF are you talking about? Freedom from what or to do what exactly? Get sick and die in the gutter, drain your family's bankaccount, help pay million dollar salaries of the CEOs of insuranace companies, suffer trade imbalances because Toyota pays no health insurance for its employees, or do you just mean the freedom to pay a bloated insurance bureacracy? Great jigoism. No logic. The ususal. No question that our health insurance system needs reform, but your solution of a government takeover is going nowhere. The funniest thing in this whole national debate, is that Obama will no longer just come right out and proclaim his support for single payer. Why is he doing this little "government option" dance? The answer is that he knows the American people don't support a government run health care system. I'm sure most--myself included--support limits on the darker practices of the insurance industry. Done deal. But why not have the real debate on single-payer instead of all this maneuvering and lying by the administration? Edited November 12, 2009 by Fairweather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 No, but I'm still smarter than you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 If you say so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Am too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted November 12, 2009 Author Share Posted November 12, 2009 No question that our health insurance system needs reform, but your solution of a government takeover is going nowhere. The funniest thing in this whole national debate, is that Obama will no lnoger just come right out and proclaim his support for single payer. Why is he doing this little "government option" dance? The answer is that he knows the American people don't support a government run health care system. I'm sure most--myself included--support limits on the darker practices of the insurance industry. Done deal. But why not have the real debate on single-payer instead of all this maneuvering and lying by the administration? As usual your diatribe is full of the typical Fox news distortions. It's not a "government-run" anything. Hospitals, doctors, nurses, event the friggin insurance companies will remain as they are - privately owned and run. There would be one public option - the insurance companies are scared they might actually have to compete with a entitiy that was not out to gouge the citizens. The latest polls (Pew Research, Harvard Medical School, others) (http://www.everybodyinnobodyout.org/DOCS/Polls.htm#NHI) show that Americans are in favor of a single payer system and that they want change. And, as usual you haven't come near to addressing and of the issues raised in the original post. The market-based system of health care delivery is not working. Except for the folks stuffing their pockets with huge profits at the expense of everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 It's not about costs, or wait times--or even equality of outcomes. It's about freedom. There are reasons we aren't them. You should read up. The responses to this post were hilarious: TTK immediately went into the equivalent of libtard gesticulations and siezures with eight consecutive posts. j_b pasted his (Huffingtonpost-approved) health care manifesto. Again. Jim called his local chapter of World Can't Wait to get the proper form-letter response--profane insults included. Prole fell back on his usual "I'm a really smart guy and you're not you teabagger Glen Beck stooge". Well done All!! Tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Tools. Admit it. If you hadn't flogged the shit for years you'd sing a different tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 (edited) As usual your diatribe is full of the typical Fox news distortions. Fairweather has not had a chance to actually watch Fox News yet, but he's heard good things about it and looking forward to catching an episode. Everything he says, no matter how closely it cleaves to the daily stream of banalities one hears from the rightwing echo machine, originates IN HIS OWN MIND!!! Edited November 12, 2009 by prole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted November 12, 2009 Author Share Posted November 12, 2009 It's not about costs, or wait times--or even equality of outcomes. It's about freedom. There are reasons we aren't them. You should read up. The responses to this post were hilarious: TTK immediately went into the equivalent of libtard gesticulations and siezures with eight consecutive posts. j_b pasted his (Huffingtonpost-approved) health care manifesto. Again. Jim called his local chapter of World Can't Wait to get the proper form-letter response--profane insults included. Prole fell back on his usual "I'm a really smart guy and you're not you teabagger Glen Beck stooge". Well done All!! Tools. If there were an argument in here somewhere I would respond - but that's not the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choada_Boy Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 I just bought a battery-operated battery installer. FREEDOM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 I just bought a battery-operated battery installer. FREEDOM! Your wife will finally have a smile on her face! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Orwellian freedom: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Didn't vote for him either. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Heh heh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Still waiting... [video:youtube] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Waiting is what you do, FW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponderosa Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Mighty windy in here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Close a window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Close a window. We would suffocate from your endless flatulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 the average consumer buys a lot of shit he does not need, including the average middle class consumer. and although middle class Americans don't all buy "McMansions" they do buy houses they can not afford, do remodels they can not afford, take vacations they can not afford, buy boats, RVs, ATVs, continually replace appliances, spend money on restuarants, entertainment etc. The average middle class American has no control over spending. Shouldn't have bought all that shit, huh? Record numbers go hungry in the US Government report shows 50m people unable to put food on the table at some point last year National Academy of Science Report Shows US Poverty Rate To Be 15.8 Percent One in six of the population could not afford to buy sufficient food to stay healthy at some point last year. More than a million children regularly go to bed hungry in the US, according to a government report that shows a startling increase in the number of families struggling to put food on the table. President Barack Obama, who pledged to eradicate childhood hunger, has described as "unsettling" the agriculture department survey, which says 50 million people in the US – one in six of the population – were unable to afford to buy sufficient food to stay healthy at some point last year, in large part because of escalating unemployment or poorly paid jobs. That is a rise of more than one-third on the year before and the highest number since the survey began in 1995. The agriculture secretary, Tom Vilsack, said: "These numbers are a wake-up call … for us to get very serious about food security and hunger, about nutrition and food safety in this country." Vilsack said he expected the numbers to worsen when the survey for this year is released in 2010. The report said 6.7 million people were defined as having "very low food security" because they regularly lacked sufficient to eat. Among them, 96% reported that the food they bought did not last until they had money to buy more. Nearly all said they could not afford to eat balanced meals. Although few reported that this was a permanent situation throughout the year, 88% said it had occurred in three or more months. Nearly half reported losing weight because they did not have enough money to buy food. The number of children living in households where there were shortages of food at times rose by nearly one-third to 17 million. The report says that most parents who did not get enough to eat ensured their offspring received sufficient food but that more than 1 million children still suffered outright hunger. The worst affected states are in the south with Mississippi having the largest proportion of its population enduring shortages of food followed by Texas and Arkansas. More than half of those affected are minorities, principally black people and Hispanics. Millions more Americans do not go hungry only because they are so poor they receive government food stamps or rely on handouts from food banks such as Feeding America. In some states, such as West Virginia, one in six of the population is on food stamps. Vicki Escarra, head of Feeding America which runs 200 food banks across the country feeding 25 million people, described the report as "alarming" and noted that the situation is continuing to deteriorate. "Although these new numbers are staggering, it should be noted that these numbers reflect the state of the nation one year ago, in 2008. Since then the economy has significantly weakened, and there are likely many more people struggling with hunger than this report states," she said. Feeding America said there had been a "dramatic increase" in requests for emergency food assistance from food banks across the US. It said that food banks in some parts of the country were requesting more than a 50% increase in assistance than over a year ago. "Our network food banks are calling us every day, telling us that demand for emergency food is higher than it has ever been in our history," said Escarra. The principal cause is unemployment, which has risen past 10%, as well as increasing numbers of people who have had their hours cut back or been forced in to minimum wage jobs. Even before the recent economic collapse many working people were struggling to meet rising living costs, such as those who drive long distances to their jobs in rural states who were hit by the rising cost of fuel. Feeding America said 40%of the people it helps live in families with at least one working adult. Charities say that many of those who fall into financial difficulties take years to get back on their feet and so the problem is likely to persist for years. The report comes as the United Nations holds a summit in Rome on food security. The UN secretary general, Ban Ki-moon, told the summit that a child dies of hunger every five seconds somewhere in the world and that more than 1 billion live with hunger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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