Kimmo Posted November 15, 2009 Author Share Posted November 15, 2009 He specifically showed that in the presence of thimerosal, there’s a lot of damage to nerve cells. When you add aluminum to the thimerosal, you need less thimerosal to create the damage to the immune and nerve cells in the presence of aluminum. Then when you add neomycin – an antibiotic in some of the vaccines – it potentiates the potency of nerve cell damage with aluminum and mercury together. And when you culture the nerve cells and testosterone, versus estrogen, and you expose them to some of the vaccine ingredients like thimerosal, you actually see that the nerve cells that are exposed to testosterone are more damaged in greater amounts than the nerve cells that are bathed in estrogen. That raises some concern because we do see that children with neurodevelopmental disorders are 4:1, boys to girls. So you have to question whether testosterone actually makes children more vulnerable to exposure to toxins like mercury, aluminum or their combination? None of these studies have been done in humans. People say, “We can’t do those studies.” And I say, “Why not?” They say, “It’s unethical.” I say, “Well, if it’s unethical to do those studies on vaccine ingredients and combining them together, then it’s unethical to give the vaccines in general.” So we’re missing a lot of important data that we won’t believe, and we’re also missing a lot of important data that we won’t accumulate because most of the studies that are done are by the manufacturers of the vaccines themselves.” interesting reading. here's a link to someone who's opinion i've come to appreciate. neither an anti-vaccine alarmist, nor a pro-vaccine fear-monger. cedars sinai pediatrician Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bstach Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Its not unethical if the risk of the vaccine < the risk of the disease. Anywho...this is the same old argument for which there are already pages and pages of banter on this site - just serach for the old threads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckaroo Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Has anyone noticed that the Swine Flu Pandemic is not really a pandemic? After all the hype of the last year or so it's only killed 4,000 so far this year in the US. The regular seasonal flu kills 36,000 per year. It's all a bunch of fear-mongering to sell vaccine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckaroo Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Its not unethical if the risk of the vaccine < the risk of the disease. he's stating that the risk of the vaccine is unknown, because it has not been properly tested, therefore there's no way to determine the ethical status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 It's all a bunch of fear-mongering to sell vaccine. That is what I have been trying to say. And it has been working..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 i have been laid up for the last 4 days with flu...none of my kids got it...pretty coincidental... i felt like someone should just shoot me and get it over with...very unpleasant bug... that being said, i'm about 90% now and on the mend...AND, as an added bonus, i lost 6 pounds! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 You're still looking a little heavy, honey. Maybe if you just tried a little harder.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 i'm going for the fat, well insulated look...it bespeaks of fine, comfortable living... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponderosa Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 learned some fun family triva out of this - turns out my ma's grandfather died in 1918 when her mother was just 2 weeks old - the spanish flu of course, the one that killed more in 1 year than all those killed in all the years of the great war just before it combined I took a 3,500-mile motorcycle trip in September and stopped in the family cemetery. Looked at the headstones where my Greatgrandad(x3), Greatgrandad(x4) and Greatgrandma(x4) all died within a month of each other from a flu outbreak in 1847. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 I want to die like grandpa; at peace, in my sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 (edited) not screaming, like the other 4 people in the car. Edited November 17, 2009 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bstach Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Its not unethical if the risk of the vaccine < the risk of the disease. he's stating that the risk of the vaccine is unknown, because it has not been properly tested, therefore there's no way to determine the ethical status. Maybe some people would rather avoid the known horrors of, say, polio, than the potential, unknown horrors of the vaccine. Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Ivan, I hadn't read this till now. OMG, I'm glad that your little one pulled through that one. Holy severe serious shit dude, show would have not made it had it happened in Ponderousous grandpas day. You must be so relived and grateful. On the list of things to be happy about that we all ignore in general, our kids health is the top of the list. Wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Ivan, I hadn't read this till now. OMG, I'm glad that your little one pulled through that one. Holy severe serious shit dude, show would have not made it had it happened in Ponderousous grandpas day. You must be so relived and grateful. On the list of things to be happy about that we all ignore in general, our kids health is the top of the list. Wow! thanks - she's put back on all the weight now too and is her usual self - still has tube scars in her chest (and the balloons in her bedroom which she refuses to give up, despite being 1/10 inflated) but is otherwise good. i never had the vaccine and didn't get sick, but then i'm a god damn sexual tyranasaurus, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Man, the poor little thing, ruff stuff fer sure:........I'm not sayin' that cause you're her dad either LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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