Obama Healthcare Lies

[prole]

I'm hoping for a viable third party to rise up

 

Like JAY-zuss?

 

Edited August 18, 2009 by prole

[KaskadskyjKozak]

I'm hoping for a viable third party to rise up

 

Like the South?

 

STFU douchebag

[prole]

Okay, okay, sorry. Now seriously, what third parties out there do you like? Weren't you down with the Libertarians? Where are they on some of the issues right now? What would be an ideal 3 or 5 or 10 point platform for you right now? What is it going to take to make a third party viable in this country? Constitutional amendment? On a left-right continuum, where might a successful third party draw its founding ideas and basis for policy prescriptions?

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Okay, okay, sorry. Now seriously, what third parties out there do you like? Weren't you down with the Libertarians? Where are they on some of the issues right now? What would be an ideal 3 or 5 or 10 point platform for you right now? What is it going to take to make a third party viable in this country? Constitutional amendment? On a left-right continuum, where might a successful third party draw its founding ideas and basis for policy prescriptions?

 

I would look for the following:

Fiscal responsibility

Business friendly

Limited Government

Balanced, forward-thinking energy policy

 

I would accept other positions not on the list and normally associated with the "left" if the net of the policies was better than what we have now (or under Bush). Examples include:

 

Health care reform

Environmental policies

Reducing presence in Afghanistan, Iraq, and elsewhere; shift in foreign policy overall

 

I'm not looking for a "moderate" party, riding the center, but one which stakes positions and works to fulfill their promises. If the party pisses off about 20% of the population on each side of the current political divide, that is a good thing. Also, we need a government that stops telling everyone what they want to hear, brush problems under the carpet, and bribe voters with payouts.

 

 

[olyclimber]

Our only hope is to revert to the Viking Way of Life. any other choice will be doom.

[ivan]

Our only hope is to revert to the Viking Way of Life. any other choice will be doom.

fuck n' fight in the hope that, should you fuck n' fight hard enough, you will be accepted into an eternity of fucking n' fighting?

 

sign me up!

[ivan]

whoops, forgot to add the 3rd leg of the trinity - drinking!

[olyclimber]

you can read about it here:

 

http://www.arild-hauge.com/elife.htm

 

however boomboxes with Led Zep tapes will be allowed as the only reference back to "modernity".

[olyclimber]

Ivan, you may be interested in this bit:

 

The Viking brewed beer and mead, and some of the rich Vikings could also have access to wine, which they procured while on trading tours or raids in Europe. The Vikings also used mushrooms, such as Psilocybe semilanceata and Amanita muscaria as intoxicants.

[ivan]

Ivan, you may be interested in this bit:

 

The Viking brewed beer and mead, and some of the rich Vikings could also have access to wine, which they procured while on trading tours or raids in Europe. The Vikings also used mushrooms, such as Psilocybe semilanceata and Amanita muscaria as intoxicants.

dude, have you SEEN me? 6'6" and totally unable to tan, i'm the living embodiment of the jackass nordic warrior - my blood fairly courses w/ mead and the aforementioned, including the desire to rape the horses and steal the women!

[olyclimber]

Valhalla, I am coming!

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Valhalla, I am coming!

 

Is that the name of your sheep?

[olyclimber]

Girt with God's anger, Grendel came gliding

over the moors beneath misty mounds.

The man-scather sought someone to snatch

from the high hall. He crept under cloud

until he caught sight of the king's court

whose gilded gables he knew at a glance.

He had often haunted Hrothgar's house;

but he never found before or after,

hardier hall-thanes or harder luck.

The joyless giant drew near the door,

which swiftly swung back at a fingertip's touch

though bound and fastened with fire-forged bars.

The building's mouth had been broken-open,

and Grendel entered with ill intent.

Swollen with fury, he stalked over flagstones

and looked round the manse where many men lay.

An unlovely light most like a flame

flashed from his eyes, flaring through the hall

at young soldiers dozing shoulder to shoulder,

comradely kindred. The cruel creature laughed

in his murderous mind, thinking how many

now living would die before the day dawned,

how glutted with gore he would guzzle his fill.

It was not his fate to finish the feast

he foresaw that night.

 

[prole]

Okay, okay, sorry. Now seriously, what third parties out there do you like? Weren't you down with the Libertarians? Where are they on some of the issues right now? What would be an ideal 3 or 5 or 10 point platform for you right now? What is it going to take to make a third party viable in this country? Constitutional amendment? On a left-right continuum, where might a successful third party draw its founding ideas and basis for policy prescriptions?

 

I would look for the following:

Fiscal responsibility

Business friendly

Limited Government

Balanced, forward-thinking energy policy

 

I would accept other positions not on the list and normally associated with the "left" if the net of the policies was better than what we have now (or under Bush). Examples include:

 

Health care reform

Environmental policies

Reducing presence in Afghanistan, Iraq, and elsewhere; shift in foreign policy overall

 

I'm not looking for a "moderate" party, riding the center, but one which stakes positions and works to fulfill their promises. If the party pisses off about 20% of the population on each side of the current political divide, that is a good thing. Also, we need a government that stops telling everyone what they want to hear, brush problems under the carpet, and bribe voters with payouts.

 

 

Yes, yes. All well and good, very middle of the road, moderate, centrist position. Like drowning in marshmallow. WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS, WHAT'RE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS:

 

[olyclimber]

those people have excellent teeth. however, they would not last long as Vikings. Thus, the Viking Way would easily clear this chaffe.

[ivan]

Girt with God's anger, Grendel came gliding

over the moors beneath misty mounds.

The man-scather sought someone to snatch

from the high hall. He crept under cloud

until he caught sight of the king's court

whose gilded gables he knew at a glance.

He had often haunted Hrothgar's house;

but he never found before or after,

hardier hall-thanes or harder luck.

The joyless giant drew near the door,

which swiftly swung back at a fingertip's touch

though bound and fastened with fire-forged bars.

The building's mouth had been broken-open,

and Grendel entered with ill intent.

Swollen with fury, he stalked over flagstones

and looked round the manse where many men lay.

An unlovely light most like a flame

flashed from his eyes, flaring through the hall

at young soldiers dozing shoulder to shoulder,

comradely kindred. The cruel creature laughed

in his murderous mind, thinking how many

now living would die before the day dawned,

how glutted with gore he would guzzle his fill.

It was not his fate to finish the feast

he foresaw that night.

cool translation - whose? it retains the essential alliteracy that resonates throughthe old english

 

seamus heaney's version of the above begins

 

"in off the moors, down through the mist bands

God-cursed Grendel came geedily loping."

 

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Girt with God's anger, Grendel came gliding

over the moors beneath misty mounds.

The man-scather sought someone to snatch

from the high hall. He crept under cloud

until he caught sight of the king's court

whose gilded gables he knew at a glance.

He had often haunted Hrothgar's house;

but he never found before or after,

hardier hall-thanes or harder luck.

The joyless giant drew near the door,

which swiftly swung back at a fingertip's touch

though bound and fastened with fire-forged bars.

The building's mouth had been broken-open,

and Grendel entered with ill intent.

Swollen with fury, he stalked over flagstones

and looked round the manse where many men lay.

An unlovely light most like a flame

flashed from his eyes, flaring through the hall

at young soldiers dozing shoulder to shoulder,

comradely kindred. The cruel creature laughed

in his murderous mind, thinking how many

now living would die before the day dawned,

how glutted with gore he would guzzle his fill.

It was not his fate to finish the feast

he foresaw that night.

cool translation - whose? it retains the essential alliteracy that resonates throughthe old english

 

seamus heaney's version of the above begins

 

"in off the moors, down through the mist bands

God-cursed Grendel came geedily loping."

 

Beowulf if ghey

[ivan]

Beowulf if ghey

so were the spartans - they kicked ass too

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Beowulf if ghey

so were the spartans - they kicked licked ass too

 

fixed it for ya

[ivan]

Beowulf if ghey

so were the spartans - they kicked licked ass too

 

fixed it for ya

anticipated that even as i was typing - figured they were both appropriate, so good on ya!

[olyclimber]

Girt with God's anger, Grendel came gliding

over the moors beneath misty mounds.

The man-scather sought someone to snatch

from the high hall. He crept under cloud

until he caught sight of the king's court

whose gilded gables he knew at a glance.

He had often haunted Hrothgar's house;

but he never found before or after,

hardier hall-thanes or harder luck.

The joyless giant drew near the door,

which swiftly swung back at a fingertip's touch

though bound and fastened with fire-forged bars.

The building's mouth had been broken-open,

and Grendel entered with ill intent.

Swollen with fury, he stalked over flagstones

and looked round the manse where many men lay.

An unlovely light most like a flame

flashed from his eyes, flaring through the hall

at young soldiers dozing shoulder to shoulder,

comradely kindred. The cruel creature laughed

in his murderous mind, thinking how many

now living would die before the day dawned,

how glutted with gore he would guzzle his fill.

It was not his fate to finish the feast

he foresaw that night.

cool translation - whose? it retains the essential alliteracy that resonates throughthe old english

 

seamus heaney's version of the above begins

 

"in off the moors, down through the mist bands

God-cursed Grendel came geedily loping."

 

Beowulf if ghey

 

nice lisp

[No. 13 Baby]

The Starting Nine:

 

CF Bobby Jindal

2B Glenn Beck

3B Newt Gingrich

1B Rush Limbaugh

RF Joe the Plumber

RF Michele Bachmann

SS Mike Huckabee

C Ashley Todd

P Sarah Palin

 

I don't think these morons are going to make it too far into the postseason...

 

You'll have to make room for the new face of GOP political insight...

 

[video:youtube]oKwgV8PAAYE

[olyclimber]

Empowered by talk radio hosts.

[olyclimber]

[video:youtube]b36Yi-Pb1wM

[JayB]

it appears he, if not Frank/Pelosi et.al., have for the time being scaled back ambitions due to the conservative objections while pushing ahead so that some reforms can be accomplished.

 

this is what scares me: some form of "compromise".

 

If there isn't a public option that ISN'T tied to private insurance costs, then might as well shoot the dog now.

 

i seriously can't believe we even have these arguments when we are the LAST industrialized country without universal health care (and outspend everyone by a wide margin AND rank 37th, 30fuckin7th, in WHO's country ranking for med care).

 

The WHO also ranks Malta 5th, and Denmark 34th. Morocco 29th and South Korea 58th. Et...cetera.

 

Naturally, I don't expect people who endlessly cite the WHO report to spend much time worrying about the methods and metrics that the WHO uses to compile the said rankings.