KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 All right, I see. Pals now? Lets get the weekend started right, then. Have a good one FW! You too, Master Seagal. This web site is getting weirder and weirder. Hey! Have a great weekend 5K! Stay off the bolted routes! yeah, I'll be on my deck, finishing it. No bolts for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted August 15, 2009 Author Share Posted August 15, 2009 Ptarmigan traverse, circum Jefferson, some Canadian trip...still working on the conga thing. pres #2= Adams and #5 too! You're thinking of his son; John Quincy Adams--but he was #6. #5 was James Monroe. I guess the mountain doesn't care which two of the same-names it was tagged with. Let's just call it Pa-To. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 L.A. Health Crisis Reaches Third World Proportions LA sports arena hosts health clinic of last resort Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:09am EDT By Dan Whitcomb INGLEWOOD, California (Reuters) - Inside an aging sports arena, where rows of dental chairs and a hospital smell have replaced the former Los Angeles Lakers basketball court, thousands of Americans are seeking free healthcare. Hundreds were turned away just on Tuesday, the first day of a weeklong clinic run by the nonprofit Remote Area Medical Volunteer Corp as part of its mission to provide free health, dental and eye care in needy spots around the world. It marks the first time in RAM's 25 years that it has gone to a major U.S. metropolitan area -- a reminder that even in Los Angeles, with world-class doctors and hospitals, many do not have access to affordable healthcare. RAM is apolitical, but its mobile medical center has sprung up in the working-class LA suburb of Inglewood against the backdrop of an increasingly bitter public debate over President Barack Obama's proposed overhaul of the U.S. healthcare system. A GLIMPSE INTO THE PROBLEM Its organizers, including founder Stan Brock, have steered clear of the healthcare battle in Washington, which centers on Obama's pledge to provide for the nearly 46 million uninsured Americans and charges by conservatives that he will only make the situation worse by "socializing" medicine. Brock said he started RAM, which is best-known for its work in Third World countries, to provide healthcare in remote parts of the world where people have no access to doctors and medical supplies. His mobile clinics are not seen as a solution to America's complex healthcare issues but the turnout in Inglewood has offered a glimpse into the depth of the problem. Obama's political allies, who have seen his fellow Democrats confronted by angry constituents at "town hall" meetings, seized on the RAM event as an opportunity to plug the president's $1 trillion plan. "There are a lot of town halls going on across America but you know, I'm going to have another story to tell when I get back to Washington, D.C. It will be about what happened here in Inglewood," Congresswoman Maxine Waters, a Democrat who has pushed hard for Obama's reforms, told a news conference on the sidelines of the opening day. Some 8,000 people were expected to file through the Forum sports arena for everything from Pap smears to acupuncture to eyeglass fittings. "It certainly proves that here in the inner city healthcare is needed in the worst way," Inglewood Mayor Roosevelt Dorn said. "If that doesn't send a message across America, I don't know what will." "A MIRACLE" Ayana Kleckner, 15, was chipper despite spending the night in line outside to get one of the 1,500 appointments available on Tuesday. She managed only two hours of sleep in a sleeping bag on the cold sidewalk. Ayana saw her mother Elon Kleckner have a painful abscessed tooth removed during surgery in a dental chair. The high-school student was cheerfully eating an apple after her first teeth cleaning in five years. "This is a miracle, but people shouldn't have to sleep on the street to get medical care," Ayana said while waiting for an eye exam. "It was adventurous, if you could put it that way, but I don't think I should have to go through that to make sure I'm healthy." Elon Kleckner, who declined to give her age, said she had lost her sales job several months ago but did not have medical insurance even when she was working and had not been to a doctor in years. "If everybody in this country were in the situation my daughter and I are in, they would have a whole different view of (the healthcare debate)," Kleckner said, speaking through a sore mouth stuffed with cotton. On the other side of the hall, 83-year-old Ethel Nabors, who has been without teeth for some five years, had just been told after a nine-hour wait that the clinic could not provide her with a new set of false teeth. But Nabors shrugged off the bad luck as she sat in an old Lakers chair to see if a volunteer could realign her dentures, which she had brought with her in a paper sack. "I didn't live this long by fretting about everything," she said. "I pray for patience. I've made it this far. If it's meant for me to have a new pair of teeth then I'll get them one way or the other." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Wow, a bunch of clips of Obama for the last few years proposing single payer, in public. Now theres a big uproar because he appears to be moving on it as promised. If anything, it appears he, if not Frank/Pelosi et.al., have for the time being scaled back ambitions due to the conservative objections while pushing ahead so that some reforms can be accomplished. The man was ELECTED while promising the system that you claim there is overwhelming opposition to; the only thing thats happened is that relative minority has gotten louder and angrier in order to intimidate and give the appearance of a "populist backlash". The only reason reform may not pass this time is if congress caves in to fears of being voted out- not the first time that would happen. Risk of being voted out for those who wouldn't get their typical financing from the healthcare lobby. For the rest, >65% of americans still want a public option, and Democrats (including Obama) may well run the risk of being voted out for selling out their constituencies down the river. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share Posted August 17, 2009 Risk of being voted out for those who wouldn't get their typical financing from the healthcare lobby. For the rest, >65% of americans still want a public option, and Democrats (including Obama) may well run the risk of being voted out for selling out their constituencies down the river. You keep spouting that 65% figure w/o any backup whatsoever. Since 84% of Americans have health coverage of some kind, I'm thinking you either pulled the number out of thin air, or had it spoon-fed directly into your vacuous skull by Huffingtonpost. As for You & Co voting out Obama and his fellow socialist "sellouts"; well, feel free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 As for You & Co voting out Obama and his fellow socialist "sellouts"; well, feel free. Because the brown streak running down Rush Limbaugh's leg that passes for the conservative "movement" sure as hell couldn't do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share Posted August 17, 2009 Meanwhile: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8344083&page=1 "Poll: 57% Don't See Stimulus Working Six Months After Obama Launched Stimulus, Majority of Americans Think It's Done Little to End Recession..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Yep. Nowhere near radical enough to save capitalism from itself... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 save capitalism from itself... FOAD, pinko dogshit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share Posted August 17, 2009 Something tells me that little Prole was always picked last for dodge ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 save capitalism from itself... FOAD, pinko dogshit! The more desperate you people get, the dumber you sound. Pretty soon you'll only be able to bellow incoherently while jumping up and down like angry baboons. The forefathers you grovel before would be embarrassed to see you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 The more desperate you people get, the dumber you sound. deny it dude, you are a commie puke and you know it. just calling it as it is. desperation? hardly. or democracy - and capitalism works, and is not going away any time soon, not withstanding your desire to the contrary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 The more desperate you people get, the dumber you sound. deny it dude, you are a commie puke and you know it. just calling it as it is. Are you "calling me out"?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenSeagal Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Handogging is sooo unethical! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_noggin Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Time Might want to check this out FW…I know it’s from that leftist TIME web site :wave:Dick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenSeagal Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Time Might want to check this out FW…I know it’s from that leftist TIME web site :wave:Dick Why should we read that crap? Rush already said Britain's healthcare system is horrible, that's all I need to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenSeagal Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 He said he would have had to wait for three hours to get his Viagra and oxycontin cocktail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_noggin Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Here is why we have to do something, a 120 percent profit increase since 2000 :fahq:that WHY :wave:Dick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 ...and capitalism works, and is not going away any time soon... YA, I COULD TELL!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponderosa Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Wow, a bunch of clips of Obama for the last few years proposing single payer, in public. Now theres a big uproar because he appears to be moving on it as promised. If anything, it appears he, if not Frank/Pelosi et.al., have for the time being scaled back ambitions due to the conservative objections while pushing ahead so that some reforms can be accomplished. The man was ELECTED while promising the system that you claim there is overwhelming opposition to; the only thing thats happened is that relative minority has gotten louder and angrier in order to intimidate and give the appearance of a "populist backlash". The only reason reform may not pass this time is if congress caves in to fears of being voted out- not the first time that would happen. Risk of being voted out for those who wouldn't get their typical financing from the healthcare lobby. For the rest, >65% of americans still want a public option, and Democrats (including Obama) may well run the risk of being voted out for selling out their constituencies down the river. "The fact of the matter is there are not the votes in the United States Senate for the public option," Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) said on "Fox News Sunday." "There never have been. So to continue to chase that rabbit, I think, is just a wasted effort." - Washington Post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigchampion Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 i can't wait to get all my stuff checked out when the free healthcare finally kicks in, hope i won't have to work as hard anymore. i see lots of climbing on the horizon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 For the jackasses like FW who are steeped in a make believe world and pretend there isn't a large majority of americans for a public option: NBC/WSJ poll: 76% feel that it is quite to extremely important to give people a choice of both a public plan administered by the federal government and a private plan for their health insurance. http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/090617_NBC-WSJ_poll_Full.pdf CBS/NYT poll: A clear majority of Americans -- 72 percent -- support a government-sponsored health care plan to compete with private insurers, a new CBS News/New York Times poll finds. Most also think the government would do a better job than private industry at keeping down costs and believe that the government should guarantee health care for all Americans. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/19/opinion/polls/main5098517.shtml EBRI poll: 83% support a public option http://ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2009062515/new-poll-shows-tremendous-support-public-health-care-option even a GOP poll found that 66% want a public option available: http://washingtonindependent.com/48140/gop-poll-yes-people-want-a-public-option and many more ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Risk of being voted out for those who wouldn't get their typical financing from the healthcare lobby. For the rest, >65% of americans still want a public option, and Democrats (including Obama) may well run the risk of being voted out for selling out their constituencies down the river. "The fact of the matter is there are not the votes in the United States Senate for the public option," Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) said on "Fox News Sunday." "There never have been. So to continue to chase that rabbit, I think, is just a wasted effort." - Washington Post which plainly shows that senate critters are out of touch with the people who elected them, on this issue as well as many others. Americans are consistantly to the left of their elected officials on most issues and it won't be any other other way as long as the corporate media decides who is electable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponderosa Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 even a GOP poll found that 66% want a public option available: http://washingtonindependent.com/48140/gop-poll-yes-people-want-a-public-option and many more ... I wonder if more people understood the idea of not-for-profit insurance co-ops, as Conrad is pushing, that the public support for the "public option" would dwindle further. As we know, polls are skewed by their questions or lack thereof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponderosa Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 I'm considering the 66-76% in support of a public option are voting more for a change or against the current mess rather than for anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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